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Topic: Democrats getting out the vote

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P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2018, 11:40:51 AM »
In other words you want to pick and choose what rights people have and when they have them.

That is the purpose of laws, yes. Using your logic, we should either be permitted to, for example, yell "fire" in a crowded theater OR have no free speech rights at all.  It's all or nothing according to YOU.  

That is beyond discrimination and is not even supported by the Constitution or the jurisprudence removing rights is based on

No, it's really not.

Likewise your blatantly dishonest about what has been said in context and would rather play your game as has been proved here and numerous other times in the past

What game am I playing.  My point has been clear from the start.  The only one being dishonest here is you.
 

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2018, 11:55:35 AM »

P1tchBlack


Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #28 on: Today at 12:40:51 PM »


Quote from: DunkingDan on Today at 12:33:31 PM
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In other words you want to pick and choose what rights people have and when they have them.

That is the purpose of laws, yes. Using your logic, we should either be permitted to, for example, yell "fire" in a crowded theater OR have no free speech rights at all.  It's all or nothing according to YOU.  

Speaking of dishonesty you tell another real whooper  :72:

That is beyond discrimination and is not even supported by the Constitution or the jurisprudence removing rights is based on

No, it's really not.

yeah it is take a constitutional law coarse sometime if you can ever get into college  :smiley_confused1:

Likewise your blatantly dishonest about what has been said in context and would rather play your game as has been proved here and numerous other times in the past

What game am I playing.  My point has been clear from the start.  The only one being dishonest here is you.

Speaking of whoppers :57:
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2018, 12:06:10 PM »

I'll make this very simple for you, there is no requirement to disallow felons from voting, just like there's no requirement for felons to not be allowed to own guns.  It makes sense for some felons to not be able to own guns, while the rest of the country can own guns.  It makes sense that pedos aren't allowed to work at schools, while the rest of the country can.  Nobody, even you amongst all your dishonesty, has explained the reasoning behind not allowing felons to vote.  So, if you want to explain the reasoning, I'll listen.  If you're going to continue to be dishonest and avoid the question, I'll move on to someone else.

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2018, 12:12:22 PM »
I am just a cyber-stalking troll who wants to try and bully someone  and can't . I do this to cover up the fact that I can not intelligently discuss what was actually said, so I will once again I will additional false statements.  
True
As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think 

Thanks for proving so many of my points 
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again . 

 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2018, 12:30:32 PM »
As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .


The "point" is that you've lied about directing posts to me and dishonestly portrayed my position since the start.   Again, there is no constitutional requirement to disallow voting by felons, just like there no constitutional requirement to disallow gun ownership by felons.  Felons to have to have ALL their rights nor do they have ALL their rights taken away.  So, I'm asking what is the reason for disallowing voting by felons?  It's a simple question.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 04:01:21 PM by P1tchBlack »

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2018, 04:00:12 PM »
Right and wrong shouldn't be determined by what political party you root for.

My point seriously went over your head.  Let me try again:  the only reason Dems care to give felons the vote is because they belief the criminals will vote for Democrats.   That makes felons a Democrat-voting bloc.  And why wouldn't felons vote Dem? Dems are nothing more than felons who haven't been caught. Next the DNC will be wanting to give ISIS the vote.

All of that may very well be true, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody has made a case for why felons shouldn't be able to vote and, as I've already said, right and wrong doesn't change because of the letter next to someone's name.

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I understand your beliefs, but why do you believe those things?  What is the reasoning.

Aww Pitch, are you trying to challenge me?   Is this your attempt at being an intellect?  

This is my attempt to get SOMEONE to answer the question.

So let me ask you, do you believe murder is wrong?   If so, what is the reasoning?  

Yes, murder is wrong because it infringes on the rights of others.


Is Trump bad?  

Not sure if he's bad, but he's childish and narcissistic

If so, what is the reasoning?  

he does things that are childish and narcissistic.

I raised an infant to become a responsible young man - I know the "why" game as well as you do.  

It's not really a game.  It's just a question: why do we deny felons the right to vote?

Our beliefs are informed by our Judeo-Christian values.  The further we stray from those beliefs, the more the moral values in our nation decline.

That may be true, but you assume that everyone agrees with Christian's view of what is/isn't moral and you assume that Christianity's definition of morality is supposed to supersede the constitution to determine what rights we have.  

The problem with atheism, socialism, and communism is that nothingness is substituted for values.

By "nothingness" I assume you're referring to a lack of a belief in some sort of sky wizard.

 When you commit a felony, you lose your right to representative government.  

I have absolutely no clue how you got to this conclusion from what you were saying above, but you still haven't provided justification for why it's done and I KNOW that the bible doesn't say "felons can't vote", so.....

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2018, 04:09:02 PM »
The "point" is that you've lied about directing posts to me So sorry you are not intelligent enough to understand I said ''someone''which names no one, but then you are a nobody but that too is different. the designation of ''Someone''was deliberate as there are many posters and viewers who have the ''Fuzzy ignorant'' mindset, some of which have not come forward in this thread but who are out there none the less  and dishonestly portrayed my position since the start.  As demonstrated in many posts I was trying to get  you to fully establish your position to which you did revealing your bigotry as we as your usual trying to make the topic about something else as this was about incarcerated felons. However as with Christians and others  people rights are only what you want them to be, where you want them to be and limited to what you want them to be. That was my whole goal for entering this thread. Thanks for playing great job    Again, there is no constitutional requirement to disallow voting by felons, just like there no constitutional requirement to disallow gun ownership by felons. True I have always said there is nothing in the constitution to allow any rights to be taken away. I did ask if you knew the bases for removing rights. It is mentioned in many SCOTUS decisions as well as taught some in Constitutional Law I pointed out much like you don't understanding our founding principals
I was going to ignore you but you decided to continue wild ass your false accusations that you enjoy making
Ta ta
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2018, 04:46:35 PM »
"All of that may very well be true, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody has made a case for why felons shouldn't be able to vote"



Why should felons go to jail?  Do we need to make a case for that too?

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2018, 04:58:08 PM »
I was going to ignore you but you decided to continue wild ass your false accusations that you enjoy making
Ta ta
The "point" is that you've lied about directing posts to me So sorry you are not intelligent enough to understand I said ''someone''which names no one, but then you are a nobody but that too is different. the designation of ''Someone''was deliberate as there are many posters and viewers who have the ''Fuzzy ignorant'' mindset, some of which have not come forward in this thread but who are out there none the less


Keep selling that lie, buddy.  Fuzzy hadn't, and hasn't posted in the thread, but here's a recap of you "not" directing your comment toward me:

P1tchBlack: Maybe the better question is, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote?

BrownCounty: Geez.  Well, at least you prefaced with "maybe".

P1tchBlack: Well, I think it IS the better question.

DunkingDan: Seems someone thinks felons should have all their rights.

P1tchBlack: Seems someone is making shit up.

DunkingDan: So either you do want them to have all their rights or only some of them


and dishonestly portrayed my position since the start.  As demonstrated in many posts I was trying to get  you to fully establish your position to which you did revealing your bigotry as we as your usual trying to make the topic about something else as this was about incarcerated felons.

No.  Had you been trying to get me to establish my position, you would have asked "Do you want felons to have all their rights".  What you ACTUALLY did was tell me my position...even though you clearly didn't know what it was.

However as with Christians and others  people rights are only what you want them to be, where you want them to be and limited to what you want them to be.

And when rights are taken away for no clear reason,that should be an issue for every american.

That was my whole goal for entering this thread. Thanks for playing great job    

Your goal was to lie, falsify my position and then not answer the question?

Again, there is no constitutional requirement to disallow voting by felons, just like there no constitutional requirement to disallow gun ownership by felons. True I have always said there is nothing in the constitution to allow any rights to be taken away. I did ask if you knew the bases for removing rights. It is mentioned in many SCOTUS decisions as well as taught some in Constitutional Law I pointed out much like you don't understanding our founding principals

A general basis for why something CAN be done isn't going to answer the question of "why" is is done in a specific situation.  The reasoning behind not being allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater won't be the same reasoning for why a felon can't own a gun.  As it stands, each state has it's own laws for felons voting and the question I've asked over and over and over is "why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote."

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2018, 05:06:30 PM »
I want to double down and show my lack of reading comprehension skills including adding more to my miscues by saying '' Fuzzy hadn't, and hasn't posted'' when what was actually said was ''Fuzzy ignorant'' mindset''   :72:
which too is something different from referring you when I said intentionally''Someone" 'which names no one, but then you are a nobody but that too is different. :72:

As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .


« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 05:08:11 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2018, 05:11:35 PM »
which too is something different from referring you when I said intentionally''Someone" 'which names no one, but then you are a nobody but that too is different. :72:

As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .

An excellent non-response from a dishonest person who doesn't have a real response to provide.  Nice work, Mr. Christian.

Again, here is you NOT directing a comment toward me... just "someone":

P1tchBlack: Maybe the better question is, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote?

BrownCounty: Geez.  Well, at least you prefaced with "maybe".

P1tchBlack: Well, I think it IS the better question.

DunkingDan: Seems someone thinks felons should have all their rights.

P1tchBlack: Seems someone is making shit up.

DunkingDan: So either you do want them to have all their rights or only some of them

Oh, btw...I was, and still am, the only person to saying anything in favor of giving felons the right to vote.  But I wasn't the "someone".  ha ha ha...
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 05:14:43 PM by P1tchBlack »

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2018, 05:14:43 PM »
I am just a cyber-stalking troll who wants to try and bully someone  and can't . I do this to cover up the fact that I can not intelligently discuss what was actually said, so I will once again I will additional false statements.  
True   :72:
As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think 

Thanks for proving so many of my points 
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again . 

 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

P1tchBlack

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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2018, 05:21:09 PM »
As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points
Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .




Again, here is you NOT directing a comment toward me... just "someone":

P1tchBlack: Maybe the better question is, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote?

BrownCounty: Geez.  Well, at least you prefaced with "maybe".

P1tchBlack: Well, I think it IS the better question.

DunkingDan: Seems someone thinks felons should have all their rights.

P1tchBlack: Seems someone is making shit up.

DunkingDan: So either you do want them to have all their rights or only some of them

Oh, btw...I was, and still am, the only person to saying anything in favor of giving felons the right to vote.  But I wasn't the "someone".  ha ha ha...



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Re: Democrats getting out the vote
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2018, 05:34:20 PM »
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 05:36:37 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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