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DunkingDan

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2018, 06:48:56 PM »
Does Fuzzy know what an assault rifle is? What is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?

Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine
which is the assault rifle and why?

Is it A?





Or is it B?





Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #127 on: November 20, 2018, 06:56:23 PM »
I recall the Washington shipyard shooting by the lunatic contractor using a shotgun.. CNN initially reported "the shooter is said to have used an AR-15 shotgun assault rifle"... I couldn't tell if she was lumping shotguns in with assault rifles as one and the same, or if she was lumping rifles with shotguns and assault rifles all together... Most likely she was just talking out her ignorant ass, and which is why @fuzzynavol will give her a pass, as they share their weapons knowledge with all knowing heads bobbing up amd down and concerned looks shared. 

And I like tagging you fuzz... It should give you warm fuzzynaballs somebody looks forward to your retorts .

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« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2018, 10:57:49 PM »



Fuzz, LOL.  That's exactly what you do.  In fact, it's the only way you can claim to ever win a debate.

Give me a few examples.   

Don't play dumb - you've seen me point them out.  Taking the wrong position on a topic and attempting to mince words in order to save face is your MO. 


All one has to do is correct their error, as I did.   

The only difference is in this case, the use of the term "automatic" is not semantics;
 
Automatic.  Semi-automatic.  Machine gun.  We all know I'm talking about military-style assault weapons that should not be in the hands of the general public.  This is a transparent "gotcha" attempt because he-man Cincy likes to show off how he knows about gun terminology.  I'm happy to acknowledge misspeaking.  Like seemingly everything Cincy contributed to our debate, it's irrelevant.  

We don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you're talking about.  Ignorance is not a good debate strategy.  Maybe you should quit while you're behind?  Seriously, if you don't know the difference between a "machine gun" and a Glock 34, maybe you should stick to calling people racists.  


it's a hugely important functional difference.




That gif says it all fuzz.  

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #129 on: November 21, 2018, 08:20:51 AM »


Don't play dumb - you've seen me point them out.  
Funny I'm never, well almost never, accused of it.  I can only remember one time when I've been accused of playing semantics, and I was positively, inarguably, innocent of it, and that was when the rightwing boneheads here were arguing that there's no difference between non-corroboration and refutation during the Kavanaugh hearing.  
Again, if I've ever played semantics or falsely accused anyone else of playing semantics, surely you can think of at least one example.  

BTW, do you agree with Roady that the guy in California was threatening to nuke Americans?  

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #130 on: November 21, 2018, 08:26:56 AM »
I recall the Washington shipyard shooting by the lunatic contractor using a shotgun.. CNN initially reported "the shooter is said to have used an AR-15 shotgun assault rifle"... I couldn't tell if she was lumping shotguns in with assault rifles as one and the same, or if she was lumping rifles with shotguns and assault rifles all together... Most likely she was just talking out her ignorant ass, and which is why @fuzzynavol will give her a pass, as they share their weapons knowledge with all knowing heads bobbing up amd down and concerned looks shared.

And I like tagging you fuzz... It should give you warm fuzzynaballs somebody looks forward to your retorts .
Reporters, perhaps with a few exceptions, don't understand any of these terms, so they parrot what they think they heard, whatever was actually stated is unknown until you hear it from the police spokesperson directly.
Obviously, anyone with a smattering of understanding of firearms would not be so hell bent on going after "assault rifles" instead of considering potential regulations that might actually reduce gun crime.
Here's an interesting fact that can be spun both ways - Since 1993, violent crime in the US has dropped remarkably while the number of guns in private hands has gone up dramatically.
Do folks here recall the ammo shortage circa 2012?  Did we ever learn what really caused that?

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« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2018, 08:46:19 AM »
Reporters, perhaps with a few exceptions, don't understand any of these terms, so they parrot what they think they heard, whatever was actually stated is unknown until you hear it from the police spokesperson directly.
Obviously, anyone with a smattering of understanding of firearms would not be so hell bent on going after "assault rifles" instead of considering potential regulations that might actually reduce gun crime.
Here's an interesting fact that can be spun both ways - Since 1993, violent crime in the US has dropped remarkably while the number of guns in private hands has gone up dramatically.
Do folks here recall the ammo shortage circa 2012?  Did we ever learn what really caused that?
supposedly there are few places that produce material required for primers- and, there was a run on ammo by the federal government to replenish ammo supply points that had been wiped by the wars winding down at the time (there is a requirement and minimum amount of ammo that is supposed to be 'at the ready' and within shelf life).  though the ammo purchases contracted by the governments didn't align to the demands of civilian markets in terms of caliber or casing, the item they shared was the material required for the primers- which directed the available material to those fulfilling those contracts...... supposedly.  
there was also, at the time, a LOT of hording.  I know regular people who had little interest in 'survival' type subjects purchasing 1000's of rounds of ammunition at a time... I did it myself to a degree... there was conversation about the value of ammo in barter circumstances... because of that people who didn't even own the caliber rifle or handgun they were buying whole lots of ammo for were still buying it.  there was also a run on disposable lighters at the same time- another item believed to have value in a dystopian future via barter, that offered credibility to this theory?
then....... there was massive orders from the federal government that made little sense- in terms of staggering numbers of 40 S&W rounds... and an unlikely amount of 10mm rounds, which is a round not near as popular as others... this is still baffling.  but..... whatever, right?
then...... to aid my conspiracy itch... some consider the 'shortage' staged and part of a 'dry run' where eliminating the civilian access to ammunition would be the course chosen to eliminate threats of guns... 2A not withstanding, there is zero protection on ammunition.  This also folds into curious purchases by large groups backed by usual opponents of 2A and proponents of control of both arms manufacturers as well as ammunition producers... I wager they made a mint off of all the unrest. 

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #132 on: November 21, 2018, 08:56:49 AM »
Yeah.  I went in to buy some .,22 LR and they were out, had been out, and had no idea when they would get more.  The notion was "they" stopped making .22 to make more of the heavier ammo.

CNN ran a choice spot with some Army General shooting an AR-15 at a range where he called the weapon "full semi-automatic".  He also was not in good firing position and said the recoil was amazing.

Someone should post that video if they can find it.

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #134 on: November 21, 2018, 09:00:37 AM »
This is the kind of absurd complete nonsense that gets purveyed and believed by people like one poster around here who somehow grab quasi-facts and nonfacts in supporting their opinion without any real understanding of the issue.

Check the form of that dude firing the AR-15.

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« Reply #135 on: November 21, 2018, 09:12:35 AM »
i wager if he is truly a retired General, USA, then he retired from the national guard and from either the medical corps or a JAG unit or something that is far, far from combat arms.  

i get frustrated with fuzz, sometimes, but he's harmless for the most part.  Also, an unpopular theory i have is that he is likely just as reasonable as anyone else- and trolling for response.  

there was an argument we had once about suppressors- he flat out told me i was wrong, and posted some animated GIF in effort to chastise my comments, when i told him they don't make a weapon silent and certainly don't make a weapon PEW PEW PEW in soft puffs.  They only marginally reduce the report unless a shooter is using sub-sonic ammo, and even then the report is clearly audible.... i will wager i've fired more weapons suppressed than most, and though some sub guns firing handgun ammunition which was also subsonic were discreet, it is only in comparing almost all suppressed weapons to non-suppressed that a clear distinction can be made.  seriously, they are loosely referred to as 'silencers', therefor they make a weapon silent according to him, and i'm an idiot for arguing (but not for the reason he suggests). 

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #136 on: November 21, 2018, 09:14:16 AM »
I've had some "discussions" with folks who want gun regulations and want to learn more, but they get confused in my experience and turn off and just say "We have to DO something!".

That to me is an abdication to "The Experts", as we see here, instead of any real engagement and attempt to learn.  Then the media mangle a story badly and that seeps into the opinions people have that somehow scary looking rifles are bad because they are "military grade" when they don't know a barrel shroud from a tripod.  I personally think an opinion should be reasonably INFORMED, more than just "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!" and expect politicians to somehow know what should be done.  We have ample evidence they do not.

And of course some are just  obstinate and obtuse and there is no cure for that, other than chuckling.

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« Reply #137 on: November 21, 2018, 09:15:40 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9tov6A2DI

This is entertaining, I think.  What is a barrel shroud?


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« Reply #138 on: November 21, 2018, 09:27:59 AM »
"some of these guns have and incendiary device at the end of it.  do you know what that is?  it's makes it heat seeking"... 

and the accompanying video to that one tickled me... Ol' Tom Sellack is HELLA fast!!! that "heat seeking bullet" took at least four seconds of film time to catch up to him, even after it first spotted him! 

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Re: Democrat Congressman Threatens To Nuke U.S. Citizens...
« Reply #139 on: November 21, 2018, 09:43:10 AM »
This is the absurdities we see even displayed around here.  It can get similarly absurd in discussing other technical issues like say climate change.

 

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