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Topic: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media

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IMAVOL

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2020, 07:49:21 AM »
My father-in-law thinks that one reason that the number of fatalities in HK is so low is that HK has a disproportionate number of people who have the TB vaccine.  It is close enough to the WuFlu that the white blood cells can identify it and react appropriately....

He recounted how bad the Hong Kong Flu was in 1971, as he was in HK then practicing as a paedeatrician.
He noted that there was a massive excess number of miscarriages and malformed babies during that time....
In support of your FIL's postulation

https://fortune.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-vaccine-tb-deaths/
« Last Edit: April 30, 2020, 08:02:11 AM by IMAVOL »

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2020, 07:56:43 AM »
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-protection-using-tuberculosis-vaccine.html

 A couple of early analyses, which have yet to be peer-reviewed, have found that countries that require this vaccine, called Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG), seemed to have been hit less severely, in terms of both number and severity, by the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19.

Portugal — which has required BCG vaccines for infants —  has over 16,000 cases of COVID-19  but only 535 deaths whereas neighboring Spain has over 169,000 cases and over 17,000 deaths.

Similarly, Ireland, with 9,655 cases and only 334 deaths, requires the BCG vaccination, whereas the U.K. with 89,554 cases and 11,346 deaths no longer does. Based on these numbers, Ireland has a fatality rate 3.5% whereas the U.K. has a fatality rate of 12.7%. Of course, there are big population number differences across these countries, along with other variables that could affect death and infection rates.


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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2020, 08:19:56 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/hundreds-georgia-poultry-workers-have-tested-positive-for-covid/K0vGYEGTSbvAYIeU3I6qtM/

Meanwhile, 22 meatpacking plants have closed during the last two months, resulting in a 25% reduction in pork slaughter capacity and a 10% percent drop in beef slaughter capacity, the union said.

If that is correct, it doesn't sound to me like it's a critical level of closures.  Yet.


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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2020, 08:53:40 AM »
How many would have died had we carried on with business as usual?
The death numbers are tainted. If a person dies of a heart attack, cancer, etc.... and the person had COVID 19, the death is attributed to COVID 19 which is dishonest.

Personally, I favor Herd Immunity which is what Sweden implemented.

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2020, 09:02:35 AM »
In support of your FIL's postulation

https://fortune.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-vaccine-tb-deaths/
He's a smart man.   He's in his 80s, but still plugged in.
He's had nearly 300 published research works in things like the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine...

Titles:
MBBS (HK) 1961; DCH (London) 1967; MRCP (Edinburgh) 1967; MRCP (Glasgow) 1967; Hon CRCP (Canada) 1972; FRCP (Canada) 1973; FRCP (Edinburgh) 1975; Am Board Paediatrics (US) 1976; FRCP (Glasgow) 1981; FRCP (London) 1993; FRCP (Ireland) 1993; FRACP (Australia) 1993; FRCPCH 1997; Hon member, Am Ped Soc; Hon Fellow, Philippine Pediatric Association 1997.






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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2020, 09:40:40 AM »
Herd immunity won't work if humans don't build up immunity.  Neither would vaccines (probably).

This is one of the most pressing questions still extant, I think.

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2020, 09:44:23 AM »
He's a smart man.  He's in his 80s, but still plugged in.
He's had nearly 300 published research works in things like the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine...

Titles:
MBBS (HK) 1961; DCH (London) 1967; MRCP (Edinburgh) 1967; MRCP (Glasgow) 1967; Hon CRCP (Canada) 1972; FRCP (Canada) 1973; FRCP (Edinburgh) 1975; Am Board Paediatrics (US) 1976; FRCP (Glasgow) 1981; FRCP (London) 1993; FRCP (Ireland) 1993; FRACP (Australia) 1993; FRCPCH 1997; Hon member, Am Ped Soc; Hon Fellow, Philippine Pediatric Association 1997.
Sounds like he has a heck of a CV

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2020, 03:52:57 PM »
Herd immunity won't work if humans don't build up immunity.  Neither would vaccines (probably).

This is one of the most pressing questions still extant, I think.
Unless COVID 19 is a virus that is way different than the flu then Herd Immunity should work. It's how most of us that never get a flu shot and have never had the flu become somewhat immune. It's how children develop an effective immune system. They put their hands in everything and then touch their eyes, nose, and mouth with dirty germ, virus, and bacteria tainted hands. 

One thing is for sure. Federal and local governments can kiss my butt and the butts of many Americans if they think I and others are going to live the rest of our lives in fear, wearing a mask and gloves under specific orders from our elected officials when we're out in public. And then to threaten arrest if we don't. How long do you think that will be tolerated before Americans rise up and take their freedoms back? That my friend is the $1,000,000 question. Obviously there is a segment of society that are too ignorant of their rights and too dependent on government to stand up but most of us (to include Reagan type Dems) won't tolerate it much longer. It seems to me (and our nations AG) that many Governors have already stepped over some boundaries that must be walked back. Some people can't handle power without abusing it and we've learned who most of them are throughout this process. 

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2020, 04:52:23 PM »
A corona virus is quite different from influenza virus types.  The immunity question is simply unknown today.  There is some indication of reinfections, which would be bad news indeed.

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2020, 06:44:23 PM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-a-normal-day-145-people-die-in-new-york-city-last-week-coronavirus-alone-killed-217-in-nyc-a-day

A media outlet that might be more palatable for some here.  What might the death rate have been with no precautions taken in March?

On an average day in New York City, about 145 people die. It’s a little higher in March: In 2017 and 2016 (the most recent years for which we have data), the March averages were 151 and 159 per day, respectively. In April, it was 146 and 149 per day in 2017 and 2016, according to state Department of Health data.

About one month ago, the city's first coronavirus death was recorded. Since then (as of 5 p.m. Monday), 2,738 people have died of the virus in New York City. That’s an average of 109.52 per day from the coronavirus alone.
The first five days of April saw 1,000 people die of the coronavirus alone in New York City. That's more than 208 per day, which is far higher than the normal per-day deaths there from all causes combined. Don't forget — people will still keep dying from heart attacks, violence, and other causes even amid the pandemic, so a lot of these deaths come on top of what we would have gotten otherwise.


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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2020, 06:47:05 PM »
Pretty graph.  Lots of talk.  Identifying a bad guy and using the same recipe as always "you're a dummy of you don't believe us.".. 

Well.. I don't believe them. 

I don't suggest they're telling lies, mind you, it could be accurate.  Coming from them, though, it has to be vetted.  It has to be scrutinized.  Swallowing what they shovel is dangerous.  Collecting and tallying my own data is the only solution,  but the well has been tainted.  Information is guarded.  

So... good ole boy logic:  "do I know anyone who has died? Are these just numbers? If there are 60k how come I don't k ow anyone who knows someone who legitimately died of this and not something else?".... and.... 

It smells like propaganda.  Its delivered like propaganda.  Ots intent is to manipulate.  Truth stands alone and unwavering.  Graphs and attacks are for manipulators.  

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Re: COVID-19 turning out to be huge hoax perpetrated by media
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2020, 06:55:31 PM »
We have 330 million plus people in the country.  A figure like 60,000 is tiny in comparison.  Do you know anyone who died of flu?  Auto accident?  Murder?  Suicide?  In the past year?

Even the figure of a million people confirmed of having it is 1 out of 330.  Many of us would not know 330 people well enough to know if they had it.

The idea this is a big nothing is to me absurd.  And it would have been far worse without significant steps taken to mitigate.

 

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