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highVOLtage

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Corporatism vs Capitalism
« on: April 16, 2021, 11:34:36 AM »
"A slow awakening amid conservatives?…  Is there hope?…  This guy gets it.  American majority CEO Ned Ryun discusses the distinct difference between corporatism and capitalism and points out how JoeBama’s big government model is based on the principle of letting the multinationals erode civil liberties. 
This might sound familiar if you have read THIS HERE and THIS HERE
Multinational corporations do not like capitalism because within the process of capitalism they do not have control over the financial outcomes.  Capitalism breeds competition; multinationals abhor competition, they are totalitarian in ideology and want the entire pie under their control.  Multinational corporations do not like capitalism; underline it, emphasize it, do not forget it.

Boy howdy is there a disconnect amid the outlook of most ‘conservatives’ when it comes to corporations and capitalism.

There is a difference between an ordinary corporation and a multinational corporation. Multinationals hate capitalism.

When I say most multinational corporations hate capitalism many people look confused.

Multinationals want control; some call that corporatism…. but the names are moot. Multinationals want control, and capitalism does not allow them control. Multinationals use lobbyists to generate legislative regulations that stall competition.

Multinationals do not want competition; they are, by nature of their interest, anti-capitalists.

This misunderstanding is everywhere.

Let me help by sharing a short video that explains why:



https://youtu.be/KGPa5Ob-5Ps

Useful article here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/16/ned-ryun-gets-it-right-it-will-take-individual-state-action-to-stop-the-advance-of-corporatism/

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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2021, 01:07:29 PM »
This makes a lot of sense to me and fits what I observed during my career.  My company went from being a sizeable domestic corporation to a huge multinational led by a guy I describe as a limousine liberal.   The character and culture of the company changed for the worse during those decades.  We became far less lean, competitive, and efficient.   We became bogged down with the weight of our own bureaucracy.   

In my exit interview, I wrote about the institutional roadblocks put into place to block progress and the incestuous relationship with our vendors.  I stopped short of accusing our leadership of fraud.  They won't listen, of course, but I did my due-diligence.   

All that's a tangent to the point of the OP, I know.  But the corporation I described above is not going to welcome competition.  

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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2021, 01:22:17 PM »
No company "welcomes" competition, in reality.  Competition requires them to improve, or die.  If you are a near monopoly, you can sail along doing the same old things for a long long time.   It would be interesting to define the term "multinational".  Are they any different from a large company that does business in only one country?  Probably not.  

He doesn't seem to offer any suggested solutions to this problem.  I'm not very impressed with his closing paragraph.

The worst part about all of this is the origination is a fraud.  The entire functional narrative of the COVID virus is based on a fraud.  It’s not about a virus; nothing about this has anything to do with a virus; it is all about control.


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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2021, 01:58:48 PM »


Government has been interfering with capitalism ever since the first business owner found out a politician could be bought or bribed.

Today politically bribery is a business known as Paid Lobbyist.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2021, 02:32:10 PM »

Government has been interfering with capitalism ever since the first business owner found out a politician could be bought or bribed.

Today politically bribery is a business known as Paid Lobbyist.
If you want to find fraud, look no further than the intersection between government and business.   

In my old company, I found it at the intersection between corporate leadership and the vendors to whom we outsourced a critical piece of our work.    


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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2021, 04:24:08 PM »
I think capitalism, free market economics, leads inexorably to large corporations.  They don't always persist a long time.

Just 30 years ago, these were the companies in the DJIA.  You will notice many of them are gone, dropped, or just plain gone.

May 6, 1991[edit]

Allied-Signal IncorporatedEastman Kodak CompanyMinnesota Mining & Manufacturing Company
Aluminum Company of AmericaExxon CorporationPhilip Morris Companies Inc.
American Express CompanyGeneral Electric CompanyThe Procter & Gamble Company
AT&T Corporation †
(formerly American Telephone and Telegraph Company)
General Motors CorporationSears Roebuck & Company
Bethlehem Steel CorporationGoodyear Tire and Rubber CompanyTexaco Incorporated
The Boeing CompanyInternational Business Machines CorporationUnion Carbide Corporation
Caterpillar Inc. ↑International Paper CompanyUnited Technologies Corporation
Chevron CorporationJ.P. Morgan & Company ↑The Walt Disney Company ↑
The Coca-Cola CompanyMcDonald's CorporationWestinghouse Electric Corporation
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & CompanyMerck & Co., Inc.F. W. Woolworth Company
Dropped from Average
American Can Company ↓Navistar International Corporation ↓USX Corporation ↓


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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2021, 04:33:18 PM »
Interesting.

Sears could have been Wal-Mart.  Gone.

Woolworths.  Long gone.

Bethlehem Steel, gone thanks to Chinese price cutting.

I am all for corporate success, but keep up with the times, or become extinct.

Big corps come and go, but capitalism is the foundation of the American way of life.

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2021, 04:37:42 PM »
I think capitalism, free market economics, leads inexorably to large corporations.  They don't always persist a long time.

Just 30 years ago, these were the companies in the DJIA.  You will notice many of them are gone, dropped, or just plain gone.

May 6, 1991[edit]

Allied-Signal IncorporatedEastman Kodak CompanyMinnesota Mining & Manufacturing Company
Aluminum Company of AmericaExxon CorporationPhilip Morris Companies Inc.
American Express CompanyGeneral Electric CompanyThe Procter & Gamble Company
AT&T Corporation †
(formerly American Telephone and Telegraph Company)
General Motors CorporationSears Roebuck & Company
Bethlehem Steel CorporationGoodyear Tire and Rubber CompanyTexaco Incorporated
The Boeing CompanyInternational Business Machines CorporationUnion Carbide Corporation
Caterpillar Inc.International Paper CompanyUnited Technologies Corporation
Chevron CorporationJ.P. Morgan & CompanyThe Walt Disney Company
The Coca-Cola CompanyMcDonald's CorporationWestinghouse Electric Corporation
E.I. du Pont de Nemours & CompanyMerck & Co., Inc.F. W. Woolworth Company
Dropped from Average
American Can CompanyNavistar International CorporationUSX Corporation
Which of those fell victim to Chinese monetary/slave labor practices?

Which of those feel victim to Russian practices?

Isnt it interesting that Walmart wasnt in the listed group just 30 years ago.
Which of those who are a shadow of their former selves just didnt have the foresight to change with the times?


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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2021, 04:46:13 PM »
Which of those who are a shadow of their former selves just didnt have the foresight to change with the times?
This happened throughout our history of course, large companies rise, and fall.  Usually they failed to anticipate some large market change, like how Kodak didn't think electronic cameras could usurp film.  The steel industry suffered from foreign competition using more modern techniques.  The appliance industry today is largely from South Korea.  Retail, well, they couldn't keep up with Walmart for one thing, and now Amazon.  GE got into too many areas and some went bad.

We often think these behemoths will last forever, but very few do.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2021, 07:33:57 PM »
The worst part about all of this is the origination is a fraud.  The entire functional narrative of the COVID virus is based on a fraud.  It’s not about a virus; nothing about this has anything to do with a virus; it is all about control.

It is all about control.  Any opportunity to expand government and maintain control over the population is progress for Democrats.  COVID provides that opportunity in spades.  

As Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel once said, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”

Like-minded multinational corporations and big tech working with Democrats to "fortify" elections and censor political opponents is just icing on the cake.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2021, 08:07:53 PM »
This happened throughout our history of course, large companies rise, and fall.  Usually they failed to anticipate some large market change, like how Kodak didn't think electronic cameras could usurp film.  The steel industry suffered from foreign competition using more modern techniques.  The appliance industry today is largely from South Korea.  Retail, well, they couldn't keep up with Walmart for one thing, and now Amazon.  GE got into too many areas and some went bad.

We often think these behemoths will last forever, but very few do.
Not always true.


See Amtrak.   And Dems want to increase their services and run larger losses.

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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 09:21:54 AM »
Yes, some quasi-governmental entity can last forever despite missteps.  My comments refer to fully private only.  A truly free market would likely end up with monopolies in every area of major business.  Imagine Walmart with no alternatives, maybe a few small shops could stay alive in urban areas.

I don't think the FTC has broken up anyone in decades.

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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2021, 10:43:04 AM »
Interesting.

Sears could have been Wal-Mart.  Gone.

Woolworths.  Long gone.

Bethlehem Steel, gone thanks to Chinese price cutting.

I am all for corporate success, but keep up with the times, or become extinct.

Big corps come and go, but capitalism is the foundation of the American way of life.


Sears, K-Mart, Monkey Ward and now JC Penny bit the dust over their moves to the political correctness of the left. 

Government destroyed our manufacturing and steel industry with over bearing regulations and free trade agreements never worrying about the impact on the American people as congressman filled their pockets with cash from the bribes of lobbyists.

The free trade agreements which took tariffs off imported goods allowed businesses and corporations to move over seas for the slave labor.

Now the democrats import the cheap labor via our southern border to take what jobs that are left and to stay in power with voter fraud.

Our government especially democrats over time has become the enemy of capitalism and the American people. Every branch of our government now wants a socialistic society where they remain in power as we become their slaves.

The even have their Gestapo the FBI to arrest and imprison anyone who speaks out against them. Just take a good look at what is happening to anyone they can identify who attended the Trump rally in Washington DC.
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Re: Corporatism vs Capitalism
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 12:58:48 PM »
Nations, like companies, fall too... they become top heavy as the opinion of themselves balloon,  they cater to cronies... they corrupt absolutely.  

The best managers realize their greatest commodity is their people and they protect them and encourage greater production.  They promote from the ranks as the ranks have better understanding of the mission's execution and of their peers needs and motivations.  The best managers in the best companies, like managers of infrastructure and defense that we elect, have decided THEY are "the" asset and people are liabilities.  

Corruption. Absolute. Nothing remains pristine. 

 

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