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DunkingDan

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Climate Worship Is Nothing More Than Rebranded Paganism
« on: January 17, 2020, 07:38:05 PM »
Lynn Townsend White Jr., an American historian from Princeton, wrote an influential essay in 1967, at the height of the cultural revolution in Western campuses, arguing that Christianity and Judeo-Christian values are responsible for ecological disaster and climate change. The essay, naturally, was adapted by generations after, ironically almost like a document of faith.
The central argument went like this. White argued, “The victory of Christianity over paganism was the greatest psychic revolution in the history of our culture. … By destroying pagan animism, Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects.”

If nothing else, the last few days should be enough to prove that Western civilization, a product of more than 1,500 years of Judeo-Christian values, is facing its most significant and sustained challenge in centuries from tribalistic paganism, a force that seeks not only to turn back time but essentially to destroy the entire current edifice.
Greta Thunberg and the Church of Mother Earth
As secular liberalism destroyed the fundamental ties that bind society — faith, flag, and family — the human instincts for faith — to believe, worship, submit, and fear — didn’t just go away but manifested in various other pre-civilized tribal ways. For example, a liberal seminary encouraged its students to skip classes to pray and confess sins in front of potted plants. In Switzerland, 250 people in full funereal garb mourned the apparent approaching death of a glacier.
That is why members of “Extinction Rebellion” do what they do. Extinction Rebellion is an apocalyptic cult that wants to radically end every thing around you, from your private cars to the burgers you eat and the plastic chairs in your yard. It is a cult that was formed after its founder took psychedelic drugs and prayed for “social change.” Members have blocked D.C. and London intersections, “twerking” the way people in a pre-civilized era would perform a fertility dance to pray to Gaia.
And then there’s Saint Greta, our perpetual teen of sorrow. I have been comparing her worship to Joan of Arc ever since she was invited to the British Parliament, the birthplace of modern democracy. She was surrounded by buffoons nodding their heads like they were listening to gospel truth.
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Lads, I hesitate to take credit for my predictions…I am magnanimous and noble like that…but this entire Joan of Arc thingy…you guys read it here, first.
"Climate Apocalypticism" is simply a paganist religion, with its own saints, sinners, and providential end. pic.twitter.com/YF5VmGfGVl
— Mr Maitra (@MrMaitra) September 22, 2019


I wrote about her long before the new woke-capital fanatics adopted her as a pawn. In a recent speech to the U.N., while clearly having an emotional meltdown, she told assorted leaders, voice trembling, that they have failed the children and history wouldn’t be kind. The “gatekeepers” immediately hailed her as a brave savior as well as a vulnerable, autistic teen who shouldn’t be bullied.
So, there you have it. Sexualized dances, psychedelic hallucinogens, worshiping nature, confessing sins in pagan animism, worshiping purified teen saints, and throwing them up on an altar, bereft of their childhood, to promote a greater cause. Add to that witches hexing Brett Kavanaugh, and having an Ouija board to invoke the spirit of Karl Marx, and everything old is new again.

The reality is, of course, completely different. Much less than destroying the planet, climate change isn’t even a settled science. Conservatives don’t disagree that climate is changing. That is a straw man. Conservatives, however, are opposed to hysteria, have skepticism about the rate of the climate change, and would like to see an actual cost-benefit analysis of the radical changes being demanded.


More important than that, conservatives understand that climate change is cynically used by a certain section of people to justify their political goals of steering the West away from its way of life, a way they perceive to be evil and harmful, hetero-patriarchal, and capitalist. How? Appealing to the faith-based part of human brains, the need for subservience, and propping up children as human shields.
The Left Created a Climate Crisis and Worships It
Consider a new letter by more than 500 scientists, which the mainstream media completely ignored. It urges the United Nations to have an open debate between scientists from both sides of the argument and states there’s “no climate emergency.” The report goes on to say, among other things:
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The world has warmed at less than half the originally-predicted rate; Climate policy relies on inadequate models; More CO2 is beneficial for nature, greening the Earth; There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes, floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent; There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050.
In short, everything you’re being told is wrong or flawed, and you’re a chump who is being taken for a ride.
For all the Marxists’ faults, the old left at least wanted to conquer nature instead of turning subservient to it. Of course, that went to its own extremes, but one can imagine Joseph Stalin putting all twerking climate fanatics as mentally ill people in a forced labor camp to build railroads in Siberia. The current Chinese government, likewise, gives two hoots about climate change, and for all the bravery of Green Peace and St. Greta, there’s nothing they can do about China burning more coal than the rest of humanity combined.

The modern left is a combination of two of the worst impulses in human history. First are the ultra-privileged bourgeoisie, which, having lost their old Judeo-Christian faith, are instinctively attracted to pre-civilized rituals, from overt sexuality to fewer familial ties. Consider Late Roman public orgies, and you get an idea. At the same time, human minds feel a gaping void that still needs to be filled by an alternate faith. It is in that intersection where this occultist, apocalyptic climate paganism comes from. It gives some privileged people a noble purpose.
As French philosopher Pascal Bruckner wrote in his book “The Fanaticism of the Apocalypse: Save the Earth, Punish Human Beings,” the current movement has all the trappings of a religion: saints, sinners, a providential end, apocalyptic fear, punishment, and penance. It appears Emperor Constantine’s children clearly failed to civilize their future generations. The pagan barbarians from the north are back circling outside the citadel.






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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Climate Worship Is Nothing More Than Rebranded Paganism
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 12:38:02 PM »

the human instincts for faith — to believe, worship, submit, and fear
The actual human instinct the article should be referring to is "to conform."  

The reason people instinctively "submit" to the group-think of their local cultural religious norm is out of their instinctive "fear" of being rejected by the tribe.  

Just think, if Dan had been born in Saudi Arabia, he might have grown up to be Osama Bin Laden.  

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 12:49:22 PM »
Just think, if Dan had been born in Saudi Arabia, he might have grown up to be Osama Bin Laden. 

And if you were born in Georgia (the country, not the state) would you have grown up to be Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin? 

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Re: Climate Worship Is Nothing More Than Rebranded Paganism
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 12:50:11 PM »
The actual human instinct the article should be referring to is "to conform." 

The reason people instinctively "submit" to the group-think of their local cultural religious norm is out of their instinctive "fear" of being rejected by the tribe. 

Just think, if Dan had been born in Saudi Arabia, he might have grown up to be Osama Bin Laden. 
believe it or not, I largely agree with this.  a matter of fact, i would go so far as to say my experience is that it is accurate.  

ask many purported 'Christians' 'why' this or 'why' that and the response is "it say's so in the Bible" yet they can't quote the source or recall the location.  

^that ain't a Christian.  the sad thing is they think it is good enough.  they haven't done anything but conform but even in their own minds they 'are'... is that enough?  Well, yeah.. it is.  does it lead to a better life of greater experience and hopefully knowledge leading to wisdom? nope... 

the one's who've done that- or the ones who's approach wasn't direct- THEY understand.  Curiously, this is the position of these climate worshipers- THEY believe themselves informed and wise- superior to those holding onto what they demand to be viewed as 'old traditions'.  

the funny thing about this is that last sentence describes ALL climate worshipers though it doesn't describe but a portion of Christians.  And, you forget- rejecting Islam is a death sentence, literally, where Islam truly exists.  true islam doesn't exist here... they'll attempt to project that and act like it does and that 'they' aren't that much different than us.... but that is an absolute lie.  A child not following Christianity even in a staunchly Christian family will lead ultimately to disappointment only.... in the land of islam? you'd be killed.  

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 01:15:42 PM »
The actual human instinct the article should be referring to is "to conform." 

The reason people instinctively "submit" to the group-think of their local cultural religious norm is out of their instinctive "fear" of being rejected by the tribe. 

Just think, if Dan had been born in Saudi Arabia, he might have grown up to be Osama Bin Laden. 
No Fuzz I would have become a Christian

Most people do not join to conform, they join groups of like minded people

Likewise as usual you can not comment on the OP in context and resort to denigrating others. Grow up 

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2020, 02:46:45 PM »
No Fuzz I would have become a Christian

I'm sure with a reversed hypothetical where Osama would have insisted he would have found Islam.  

Most people do not join to conform

So it's a coincidence that most of the Middle East is muslim, and most of America is Christian?  Neither ideology has a head-start in either region?  Most people are perfectly open to resisting the psychological indoctrination of their parents along with the social coercion of their community, and feel free to read the Quran seeking spiritual truth?    

they join groups of like minded people

I know if an atheist in middle Tennessee who was driven from his career as a public school teacher after the parents in the community discovered his non-belief and began petitioning the principal not to have their kids taught by this "moral inferior."  

That's not a group of like-minded people, it's a lynch-mob.  

Likewise as usual you can not comment on the OP in context and resort to denigrating others. Grow up

I parsed out a comment from the OP, and am imploring you and all other religious believers to grow up and abandon your fairy tales.  

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 02:56:59 PM »
Fuzz spread more bullshit Today at 03:46:45 PM »

No Fuzz I would have become a Christian

I'm sure with a reversed hypothetical where Osama would have insisted he would have found Islam. 

You ignorance is astounding

Most people do not join to conform

So it's a coincidence that most of the Middle East is muslim, and most of America is Christian?  Neither ideology has a head-start in either region?  Most people are perfectly open to resisting the psychological indoctrination of their parents along with the social coercion of their community, and feel free to read the Quran seeking spiritual truth? 

Your ignorance on the history of the people in the area and hat is occurring there is astounding. Almost as much s your ignorance on what is happening in America, Europe

they join groups of like minded people

I know if an atheist in middle Tennessee who was driven from his career as a public school teacher after the parents in the community discovered his non-belief and began petitioning the principal not to have their kids taught by this "moral inferior." 

That's not a group of like-minded people, it's a lynch-mob. 


Gods morals are proven time and time again to be superior to man made ones. Your hatred, ignorance and bigotry is on display


Likewise as usual you can not comment on the OP in context and resort to denigrating others. Grow up

I parsed out a comment from the OP, and am imploring you and all other religious believers to grow up and abandon your fairy tales. 

The only fairy tail I see here is the you posts (edited to clarify what I meant))

Time and time again it has been shown there was a creator, not my fault you want to not think about anything.

This post continues to prove my assessments of you. I pray some day you grow up and wake up.

Right now all you are doing is playing at a thread hijacking troll


« Last Edit: January 18, 2020, 06:01:38 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2020, 05:39:46 PM »
The only fairy tail I see here is the ones you opine on.
Agreed.  

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2020, 06:00:04 PM »
Agreed. 
So you agree that your posts are fairy tails (as a note I edited as you posted)
There is hope for you yet
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Climate Worship Is Nothing More Than Rebranded Paganism
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2020, 05:00:57 AM »


https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/michael-chrichton-in-2003-environmentalism-is-a-religion/

More than 15 years ago, Michael Crichton gave a talk to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco on September 15, 2003 titled “Environmentalism is a Religion,” here’s an excerpt:

Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it’s a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths. There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.

Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday—these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don’t want to talk anybody out of them, as I don’t want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don’t want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can’t talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith.

And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren’t necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It’s about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them. Am I exaggerating to make a point? I am afraid not. Because we know a lot more about the world than we did forty or fifty years ago. And what we know now is not so supportive of certain core environmental myths, yet the myths do not die.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2020, 06:32:13 AM »
Excellent speech, interesting that it was given 15 years ago.

I am a skeptic.  I see evidence pointing in opposite directions.   Some global warming, some global freezing.   I see none of the doom and gloom predictions coming true.  

What does it all mean?   If there is a permanent warming trend caused by man, indeed we may be doomed because I see no evidence that China, India or the developing world is doing anything about it.  The only ones who are, such as the USA and Western Europe, are under constant attack from the Greta Thunbergs of the world, while no confrontation with the real problem.  Same goes for Islam, Christianity can be confronted and criticized by our liberal friends, but Islam, the real problem, can't.

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2020, 02:23:52 PM »
I see none of the doom and gloom predictions coming true. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2020, 03:11:02 PM »
Some people do not realize the historical occurrence of Brush Fires in Australia or how many people were arrested, including Muslims for setting fires.




Surface temperatures in the Sargasso Sea, as determined by isotope ratios of marine organism remains in sediment at the bottom of the sea (Robinson et al., 2007).


The historical cycle of warm and cold periods during the last 400,000 years, based on ice core samples from Vostok, Antarctica.













Fig. 7.3 CO2 and temperature measured from the Vostok ice, Antarctica.













Global death and death rates due to extreme events, 1900-2006

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2020, 09:40:43 PM »
Just curious Fuzz.
At what temperature do forests begin to spontaneously combust?
Because if we're at that point, we have much less than 12 years left.


https://www.pc.gov.au/research/ongoing/report-on-government-services/2010/2010/33-chapter9-chapter.pdf
(page 9.17)

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The number and severity of landscape fires is influenced by many factors, including environmental factors such as weather and climate, with the majority of landscape fires triggered by human activity (approximately 85 per cent) or lightning (approximately 15 per cent).

 

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