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fuzzynavol

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 12:08:22 PM »

Or maybe not all of us try to inject racism into everything for political gain.

Everything?  Or just when it's warranted?  Why hyperbolize - don't you have a leg to stand on?

The actual problem here is that the right refuses to consider whether any accusation of racism is ever warranted.  If you're not wearing a white robe with a pointy hat, you're completely innocent.  

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 12:13:46 PM »
Oh, wait, I think I found the "dog whistle".... was it when Lebron said (while referring to the President) he "doesn't understand the people and doesn't give a f*ck about the people"?  Was that the dog whistle?

You're still confused about what "dog whistle" implies.  There's no dog whistle in Labron's statement - he doesn't see any need to speak in code and he's not trying to hide his true opinion.  

I don't see how you could, but if you want to accuse Labron of a racist statement, then go right ahead.  But are you now arguing that the Ingraham's racist segment on Fox would therefore now somehow be justified?  

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 12:16:05 PM »
you, @fuzzynavol , said she "traded her dog whistle for a megaphone".  then, you revert back to 'dog whistle'.  

she was speaking to ignorance, not race.  

and as far as being "emotionally intelligent", that is a 'dog whistle' only progressives react to- meaning "we don't like what you say so we'll accuse you of something in attempt to make you inferior to us so we can attempt to maintain our claim to superiority status", and it's weak.  stand on facts- use logic and rationale to locate it.  "you're better than this".  

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 12:27:19 PM »


President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 12:35:22 PM »


Oh, wait, I think I found the "dog whistle".... was it when Lebron said (while referring to the President) he "doesn't understand the people and doesn't give a f*ck about the people"?  Was that the dog whistle?

You're still confused about what "dog whistle" implies.  There's no dog whistle in Labron's statement - he doesn't see any need to speak in code and he's not trying to hide his true opinion.  

I don't see how you could, but if you want to accuse Labron of a racist statement, then go right ahead.  But are you now arguing that the Ingraham's racist segment on Fox would therefore now somehow be justified?  

I don't agree with Ingraham's take, but James' comment was as much a dog whistle as anything she said.

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 01:20:45 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with what they both said....He is not a fan of Trump and expressed it, that's his right...She is not a fan of James and expressed it, that's her right.....

Nothing to see here.

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 01:44:26 PM »

she was speaking to ignorance, not race.  

The only reason to use a dog whistle is to provide plausible deniability.  

Right-wingers didn't really need them back in the "good ole days."  

that is a 'dog whistle' only progressives react to...stand on facts- use logic and rationale to locate it.  

Again, try to imagine you are an apolitical black man, and you're interested in learning more about these "limited government" conservative principles, but you've also heard that they can be anti-minority.  You decide to tune into their favorite news network, Fox, to see if there's any truth to the stereotype.  

What would your take-away be from that clip?  

If you can't admit that you'd be bothered by both her tone and her choice of language, then you're either not being honest or you're incapable of a simple thought-experiment.  

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 02:04:41 PM »
OK Indy.

If that statement by Biden had been made by Laura Ingraham or another Fox commentator, would you have been jumping up and down with your liberal compatriots shouting "racist dog whistle!"
 


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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 02:18:35 PM »
well, i'll tell you what, @fuzzynavol, since you want to play 'thought experiment' so badly:

imagine a world, and in it people can speak their minds without fear for recourse. In this world there are all kinds of people- much like our existing world.  a matter of fact, the part missing from this world that exists in our own are people who feign outrage and make accusations against people accusing them of saying things they didn't- and when challenged to produce the 'offensive language' (as if these people don't have the right to say what they please w/o concern for oppression) the accusers claim "dog whistle", which is to say the accused is speaking with a device only 'dogs' can hear...

the 'fact' the term 'dog whistle' is widely used, and usually by the same collective of people demonstrates how weak their argument that they have to make shit up, and, it demonstrates their want to oppress the opinions even if the person was making disparaging comments about someone else, or not

in short... oppress much?  isn't this one of your side's primary concerns?  why is it okay to oppress what you reject and demand action against it, yet demand freedom of speech, assembly, recognition, et al?  

when you mature emotionally and can glue together rational thoughts, you can have a seat at the table.  until then, STFU.
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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 02:50:59 PM »
Once I bought a dog whistle to help train my 3 dogs..Every time I blew it, my ears hurt...I had to give it away...My hearing was too sharp.

I have extremely good hearing, which probably saved our squad in Nam once...I heard the VC approaching our defensive position through the noise of a monsoon..I was almost better than a night vision scope.

My wife told me she has to go outside to pass gas, because I hear her every time...

OK, back to all of this hurt feelings stuff...

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 03:03:02 PM »

You didn't answer my challenge, but I will answer yours.  

imagine a world, and in it people can speak their minds without fear for recourse.
 
No accountability for what we say?  What would determine our reputations?  Some sort of pre-ordained caste system?    

No thanks.  

In this world there are all kinds of people- much like our existing world.
 
Okay.

a matter of fact, the part missing from this world that exists in our own are people who feign outrage and make accusations against people accusing them of saying things they didn't
 
Now that would be good.

and when challenged to produce the 'offensive language' (as if these people don't have the right to say what they please w/o concern for oppression) the accusers claim "dog whistle"
 
If you're referring to this instance, then I've provided you video evidence of the offending tone/language.

which is to say the accused is speaking with a device only 'dogs' can hear...

It's an analogy, which may be another concept, like empathy, that's over your head.  

the 'fact' the term 'dog whistle' is widely used, and usually by the same collective of people demonstrates how weak their argument that they have to make shit up
 
So to you, we should only communicate and interpret words literally, and the tone that someone uses is irrelevant.  

Well, here's another thought-experiment you're sure to fail.  See if you can say these two sentences to mean two different things:

You're on fire.  (complimenting someone in a backyard basketball game who's hitting a lot of shots)
YOU'RE ON FIRE!  (screamed at someone who's flammable clothing touched the flame of their gas range)

You can deceive yourself into thinking they are the exact same sentiment (after all - they're the same words, right), but to most they're quite different.  

Point is, all communication isn't literal, despite your foolish instance that it is.  

in short... oppress much?
 
Never that I'm aware of.

isn't this one of your side's primary concerns?
 
Yes.

why is it okay to oppress what you reject and demand action against it
 
I'm trying to suppress, or at least hold people accountable for, racist speech.  It's okay because racism is immoral.

Or more to the point, I'm just trying to show you guys where your reputation comes from.  You also have a reputation for stubbornly refusing to accept reality, which you're exemplifying here.  You dodged my question about what you'd think of her video if you were a black man researching conservatism.  I suppose you deserve credit for at least being smart enough not to answer that.  

yet demand freedom of speech, assembly, recognition, et al?  

Freedom of speech is imperative in a free society.

when you mature emotionally and can glue together rational thoughts, you can have a seat at the table.  until then, STFU.

Thanks for the laugh.  I hope you appreciate this free little lesson in how to dissect an opponent's talking points and to think logically.

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 03:12:37 PM »
i don't have the patience to entertain you, fuzz.  and you know you're bested yet continue along- doubling down only works at the table, man.  

the mic has been dropped on your at least four times in this thread alone.  either you're too dense to comprehend that, or you're trolling.  i hope you're trolling. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 03:33:19 PM »
... and one more thing... which i almost forgot to address... 

the "STFU" part was a honey-pot staged for your response- and the fact that you 'dissected' the post by your own admission means that you saw that.  

..... the STFU was an attempt to oppress your opinion, and to inject brevity into a topic where none likely belongs.  it was a play to draw your emotional response- which it didn't and i commend you for that- and an opportunity for you to point out that both sides attempt to oppress(and suppress too) their opposition.  

what is oppression other than systematic suppression, anyway?

and it IS systematic, otherwise there would be no need to 'see' things in your *traditional opposition's comments* that aren't there, and call it a 'dog whistle'.   your call to emotional response by accusing this woman of making a racist comment is an attempt at deception to further your agenda plain and simple. 

(*traditional oppositions comments*) : just because someone is wrong most the time doesn't mean they are wrong all the time, and just because someone is right most the time doesn't mean they're right all the time.  wash your brain of predisposed opinion and listen to what this woman said as an example- her position is that a person w/o education and a clearly communicated message isn't to be taken seriously.... she needs to be careful with what she says, as that can be used against her in short order- such as when she starts pontificating (as if it's fact) her opinion.  it's not only your side intent to misinform, @fuzzynavol , it's all around us. 

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Re: Click here to test your empathy skills...
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 04:11:26 PM »
He is not a fan of Trump and expressed it, that's his right...She is not a fan of James and expressed it, that's her right.....

Nothing to see here.
If it was Steve Nash or Dirk Nowitzki, there would be nothing to see here.
But it was Lebron, and so there were dog whistles.

 

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