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Topic: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)

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fuzzynavol

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Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« on: November 09, 2019, 12:09:07 PM »
It seems those close to President Donald Trump were calling on Ukrainian leaders to investigate former Biden much earlier than what was previously known. Two associates of Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney, pushed the former Ukrainian president in February to open a probe into Biden as well as into the 2016 election.  They allegedly told then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko at a meeting in the offices of Ukrainian general prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko that announcing the probes would translate into a state visit to Washington.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/giuliani-associates-urged-ukraines-prior-president-to-open-biden-election-probes-11573247707

But, but Roady said the Ukrainians were never informed???


roadvol

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You're Confused As Usual Fuzz
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2019, 12:15:17 PM »
I didn't say Ukrainians were never informed. The Ukrainians said they were never informed....including the president and foreign minister of the Ukraine.
But I may need to re-evaluate......do I believe the two foreign leaders of the Ukraine or do I believe the selected leaks from a serial liar who is heading the impeachment probe......hmmmmmmmm.
nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2019, 12:17:26 PM »
It seems those close to Trump .......


Wow.  It seems.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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So?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2019, 12:24:57 PM »
Guliannai has never denied he was urging a criminal probe in the Ukraine. As personal attorney to Trump he can do anything a private citizen can do. I could go and call for a criminal probe of Biden or Obama or whoever I want and not break any laws.
Guliannai was very public about that and appeared on multiple TV shows talking about it before and after the fact.
What is not in the article that  was any mention of foreign aid being held up. ......so where is the check or checkmate.
Just another wasted wet dream for Fuzz.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 01:07:55 PM by roadvol »

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 12:27:27 PM »
I'm guessing you're not much of a chess player.  


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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 12:28:19 PM »
Maybe they can impeach those close to Trump.

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 01:06:44 PM »

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 01:10:14 PM »
I didn't say Ukrainians were never informed. The Ukrainians said they were never informed...
Okay, this is going to be fun.  Once again, we have Roady making a statement that is inarguably false, which I am about to prove (Cincy may argue that this is just my "opinion," but the evidence speaks for itself).  Now.  Will Roady apologize and/or retract his statement?  History tells us, no.  He will respond with some combination of diversions, denials and insults.  

Anyway, here's the cut&pasted proof that Roady has, indeed, said that the Ukrainians were never informed.  He's said it multiple times.  So let's all grab some popcorn and see what Roady comes up with (unless maybe he's finally grown up and will shock us all with a retraction):


You seem very confused Fuzz.
I thought the Ukraine received their aid.
Did the Ukraine initiate an investigation as a result of Trump's request?...No
Did the Ukraine ever have knowledge that the aid might have been held up? ....No
Congress budgets aid to foreign countries but they have no authority what day the aid is issued as long as it's during the budget year. 
Did Trump release the aid within the budget year? ....yes
One final question for you...
Who sets foreign policy?
The POTUS?


You keep forgetting ( or choose not to mention) the Ukraines did not know the money was held and didn't know that the money was withheld until after they had received it and no investigation was ever initiated by the Ukraines.

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 01:17:38 PM »
Guliannai has never denied he was urging a criminal probe in the Ukraine. As personal attorney to Trump he can do anything a private citizen can do. I could go and call for a criminal probe of Biden or Obama or whoever I want and not break any laws.

If/when Trump hires you as his personal attorney, then your hypothetical might not be so laughably irrelevant.

Guliannai was very public about that and appeared on multiple TV shows talking about it before and after the fact.

Yup, he's an idiot alright. 

What is not in the article that was any mention of foreign aid being held up. ......so where is the check or checkmate.

It mentioned that they would be granted a visit to the White House.  The holding up of the aid isn't controversial and there's no need to bring it up. It's obvious that Trump, through his henchmen, were dangling more than just foreign aid as a quid pro quo.  

The more damning the evidence against Trump, the more positive you are convinced things get.  You become more divorced from reality by the day.  

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 02:06:01 PM »
Those close to Trump can legally pressure Ukraine to investigate whatever, it seems.

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2019, 02:48:54 PM »
Those close to Trump can legally pressure Ukraine to investigate whatever, it seems.
Did Nixon, himself, break into the Watergate?  

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2019, 03:16:11 PM »
Did Nixon, himself, break into the Watergate? 

You're equating asking the Ukraine to investigate corruption to breaking and entering?   We'll just call you Joy Reid.   

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Re: Check & Mate (1 talking point down, 18 more to go...)
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2019, 03:40:11 PM »
Sorry Fuzz but you've become completely irrational on this subject....there's nothing your post that indicates the Ukrainians knew aid was held up.
You're so desperate to find something to impeach on you keep  imagining crimes that never happened.
Take a deep breath and calm down....

( is anyone else sensing a complete mental breakdown here among people who's based their entire existence on the impeachment of an elected president?)
« Last Edit: November 09, 2019, 03:45:31 PM by roadvol »

 

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