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Topic: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?

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DunkingDan

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2018, 12:30:34 PM »


You want christians o be able to discriminate based on religious beliefs.
Never said that so why lie?
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2018, 12:35:06 PM »
Never said that so why lie?
So, you want businesses to be forced to host gay weddings and be required to provide other services for gay events?
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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2018, 07:20:40 PM »


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I do love hijacking threads because I love showing my bigotry and ignorance. Not to mention I like to try to change the topics because I lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of my one trick pony act.

At least this time I did not try to falsely claim the courts can dictate to churches the churches who their leaders are.

I will also ignore what was posted to me that said ''While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed''

So I will try and use one of the many hit pieces from fake news sources who share my ignorance and bigotry, even though it says basically the same thing that was posted to me but it clouds what I want to project because of other in context facts
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Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers. \\


 So says the man who lacks the balls to give us his science and legal background. refuses to answer other questions. The self proclaimed expert on all things but yet is to damned ignorant or lazy or both to read what has been posted and see he has already been answered.



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 P1tchBlack

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2018, 08:13:00 PM »


I'll take my source....which I provided.  There's a reason it was such a big deal when church leaders changed the policy. Enjoy your time in denial!

Despite this modern reality, for much of its history—from the mid-1800s until 1978—the Church did not ordain men of black African descent to its priesthood or allow black men or women to participate in temple endowment or sealing ordinances.
https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2018, 08:35:18 PM »


Quote from: P1tchBlack on January 05, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
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I do love hijacking threads because I love showing my bigotry and ignorance. Not to mention I like to try to change the topics because I lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of my one trick pony act.

At least this time I did not try to falsely claim the courts can dictate to churches the churches who their leaders are.

I will also ignore what was posted to me that said ''While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed''

So I will try and use one of the many hit pieces from fake news sources who share my ignorance and bigotry, even though it says basically the same thing that was posted to me but it clouds what I want to project because of other in context facts
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Never denied anything so why lie?
Again
Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers.

want a source google it, its there in multiple places or are you to  Lazy


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 P1tchBlack

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2018, 09:16:14 PM »


Here, I can do big letters too.  Maybe you'll stop trying to run cover for the overt racism in the Mormon church.

Despite this modern reality, for much of its history—from the mid-1800s until 1978—the Church did not ordain men of black African descent to its priesthood or allow black men or women to participate in temple endowment or sealing ordinances.
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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2018, 09:28:04 PM »


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Here, I can do big letters too.  Maybe you'll stop trying to run cover for the overt racism in the Mormon church. 

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I did not run from nothing you lying childish moron
Maybe if you read slow you can grasp what I actually said
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While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed
But once again you ignore several facts to spread your ignorance and bigotry

In the past, Mormon church leaders have said history provided no clear explanation for the prohibition that barred black men from ordination to the lay priesthood and prevented black men and women from participating in sacred temple rites.

No such prohibitions were in place during the tenure of Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers. In the Mormon faith, only men can hold the priesthood. 
Likewise the courts can not legally dictate who a church has as its leaders much as you tried to falsely imply.
You also once again try to change the topics because you lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of your one trick pony act.



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 P1tchBlack

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2018, 10:32:57 PM »


The church had the policy. The church changed their policy and openly acknowledged the change.  The Book of Mormon refers to blackness as punishment from GOD...until it was edited out after church leaders talked to GOD.  If I had to bet, the policy against blacks had something to do with the fact that Mormons were taught that blackness was punishment.

I never said the government could pick church leaders, you fool. Are you drunk?
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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #66 on: Today at 08:39:48 AM »


Quote from: P1tchBlack on January 05, 2018, 10:32:57 PM
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The church had the policy. The church changed their policy and openly acknowledged the change.  The Book of Mormon refers to blackness as punishment from GOD...until it was edited out after church leaders talked to GOD.  If I had to bet, the policy against blacks had something to do with the fact that Mormons were taught that blackness was punishment.

I never said the government could pick church leaders, you fool. Are you drunk?
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Not my fault you cannot understand the simple facts of what I actually  id and I will repose it below once more for the record
Not is it my fault you tell another lie about what I actually said as I never said you said the government could pick church leader, I will post what I actually said below to for the record
While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed
But once again you ignore several facts to spread your ignorance and bigotry

In the past, Mormon church leaders have said history provided no clear explanation for the prohibition that barred black men from ordination to the lay priesthood and prevented black men and women from participating in sacred temple rites.

No such prohibitions were in place during the tenure of Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers. In the Mormon faith, only men can hold the priesthood. 
Likewise the courts can not legally dictate who a church has as its leaders much as you tried to falsely imply.
You also once again try to change the topics because you lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of your one trick pony act.


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 P1tchBlack

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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
« Reply #67 on: Today at 11:23:24 AM »


Quote from: DunkingDan on Today at 08:39:48 AM
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Not my fault you cannot understand the simple facts of what I actually  id and I will repose it below once more for the record
Not is it my fault you tell another lie about what I actually said as I never said you said the government could pick church leader, I will post what I actually said below to for the record
While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed
But once again you ignore several facts to spread your ignorance and bigotry

In the past, Mormon church leaders have said history provided no clear explanation for the prohibition that barred black men from ordination to the lay priesthood and prevented black men and women from participating in sacred temple rites.

No such prohibitions were in place during the tenure of Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers. In the Mormon faith, only men can hold the priesthood.
Likewise the courts can not legally dictate who a church has as its leaders much as you tried to falsely imply.
You also once again try to change the topics because you lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of your one trick pony act.
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First, the mormon church hasn't had black priests SINCE the 1800's, they had a few black priests IN the early 1800's...before the policy was created.  The policy wasn't relegated to a few churches.  It was the policy of the entire mormon church for over 150 years, until they gave into social pressure... I mean "GOD changed his mind".  And, I theorized that the policy was created because mormons believed that blackness was a punishment from GOD.  Secondly, I wasn't trying to change topics.  I referenced blatant racism in the Mormon church to point out that they, couldn't refuse business to blacks and use their religious beliefs as an excuse, as you want Christians to be able to do.
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« Reply #68 on: Today at 11:36:30 AM »


Quote from: P1tchBlack on Today at 11:23:24 AM
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First, the mormon church hasn't had black priests SINCE the 1800's, they had a few black priests IN the early 1800's...before the policy was created.  The policy wasn't relegated to a few churches.  It was the policy of the entire mormon church for over 150 years, until they gave into social pressure... I mean "GOD changed his mind".  And, I theorized that the policy was created because mormons believed that blackness was a punishment from GOD.

Nope you lied and said that is what they believed. So why lie?

 Secondly, I wasn't trying to change topics.

Tell that to someone who believes you as that is what you do in every threat you interject yourself into

 I referenced blatant racism in the Mormon church to point out that they, couldn't refuse business to blacks and use their religious beliefs as an excuse, as you want Christians to be able to do.

None has said you can refuse business to blacks nor have I said I want Christians to be able to do that. So again why lie?



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Re: Can America Survive as a Post-Christian Nation?
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In 1852, President Brigham Young publicly announced that men of black African descent could no longer be ordained to the priesthood, though thereafter blacks continued to join the Church through baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Following the death of Brigham Young, subsequent Church presidents restricted blacks from receiving the temple endowment or being married in the temple. Over time, Church leaders and members advanced many theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions. None of these explanations is accepted today as the official doctrine of the Church.[/size][/color]

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy doubles down
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2018, 04:49:37 PM »
While many churches had policies, both written and unwritten most in practice such as the Mormon Church, which has had black priest since the early 1800's were not strictly followed
But once again you ignore several facts to spread your ignorance and bigotry
In the past, Mormon church leaders have said history provided no clear explanation for the prohibition that barred black men from ordination to the lay priesthood and prevented black men and women from participating in sacred temple rites.

No such prohibitions were in place during the tenure of Joseph Smith, Jr., who founded the church in 1830, the church essay notes. Smith opposed slavery and himself ordained the faith’s first black lay ministers. In the Mormon faith, only men can hold the priesthood.
Likewise the courts can not legally dictate who a church has as its leaders much as you tried to falsely imply.
You also once again try to change the topics because you lack the ability to discuss the original topic just another sad example of your one trick pony act.

In 1852, President Brigham Young publicly announced that men of black African descent could no longer be ordained to the priesthood, though thereafter blacks continued to join the Church through baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Following the death of Brigham Young, subsequent Church presidents restricted blacks from receiving the temple endowment or being married in the temple. Over time, Church leaders and members advanced many theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions. None of these explanations is accepted today as the official doctrine of the Church.

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy doubles down
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2018, 05:20:29 PM »
Repeat repeat repeat
No need to repeat 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy doubles down
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2018, 09:04:03 PM »
No need to repeat
It was only a second post. I'm just making sure that you are aware, once again, but you are wrong about what Mormonism is all about. You've been wrong every time so far, and if you looked at sources that were factual, not just ones that tell you what you want to believe, you would know a lot more.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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