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Topic: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population

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DunkingDan

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The goal of eliminating extreme poverty is among the top priorities of the global community and is the first of the UN’s seventeen Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). But, according to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, progress toward reducing poverty is threatened by the presence of too many poor people, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa.

Some global leaders have drawn criticism for their patronizing comments about African fertility, including French president Emmanuel Macron.  At a launch event for the Gates Foundation’s Goalkeepers Report, held alongside the UN’s General Assembly, Macron said that Africa’s high birth rate is “not chosen fertility,” and reflects a lack of education.  “I always say: ‘Present me the woman who decided, being perfectly educated, to have seven, eight or nine children.’”
Because of the history of coercive population control programs, “population was removed from the development vocabulary altogether,” writes Alex Ezeh in the Goalkeepers Report. “For the sake of Africa’s future, we should bring it back.”
The report argues that the decline of the extremely poor in the world could be hampered by population growth in Africa. Moreover, the report charges that because of increased African population, the number of extreme poor could begin to rise given that more than 40 percent of the world’s extremely poor live in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and Nigeria.

One of the problems in analyzing poverty and population is the distinction between raw numbers and percentages. Take Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country; the Gates report projects the number of people in extreme poverty will expand from 81 million to 152 million by 2050.  At the same time, however, they anticipate that the percentage of Nigeria’s population in extreme poverty will decrease from 43% to 35% in the same period.  In the DRC, extreme poverty is projected to fall from 67% to 41%.  In other words, as the population in both countries grows, the relative share of people in extreme poverty is shrinking, not growing.

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2019, 06:41:09 AM »
Gates.  Maybe they could donate Billions for population control  

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2019, 07:41:25 AM »
The article mostly mentioned Melinda Gates, and the Gates Foundation, which is not specifically Bill.

Bill likely thinks the same way, as the issue is pretty obvious to most, including Macron.  

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 07:55:23 AM »
Global overpopulation is the biggest problem faced by mankind - even bigger than religion. 

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 08:00:49 AM »
If you exclude Africa, that statement is not true at all....which I think was Gates' point.

Only African countries has a TFR over 5.
And almost all countries with a TFR over 3 are in Africa.

Replacement TFR is 2.1 and even Mexico is only at 2.2.....

Some of the lowest:
Macau (China)   1.0
Hong Kong (China)   1.1
Korea, South   1.1
Singapore   1.2
Taiwan   1.2





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 08:03:26 AM »
If you exclude Africa, that statement is not true at all....which I think was Gates' point.
I'd agree about population growth, but I think we're already over populated on other continents.  We're there, it's not going to change except perhaps in centuries.

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 08:08:20 AM »
Well, Japan for one, is imploding population-wise....

Their population will decline by 20% in the next 30 years - with the remaining population, on average, being extremely old....

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/21/679103541/japans-population-is-in-rapid-decline

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About 127 million people live in Japan. The population could drop below the 100 million mark by 2049, according to the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research.  By 2036, one in three people will be elderly, researchers project.

Birthrates aren't just falling in Japan. South Korea has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world. Around the globe, the fertility rate fell more than 50 percent, from 4.99 in 1960 to 2.44 by 2016, according to the World Bank.


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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 08:10:09 AM »
I might argue Japan is still over populated, it of course depends on what one means by that.  In some ideal world, we'd have significant habitat for animals, swampland, etc.  The US is largely blessed with that.  


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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 08:12:48 AM »
Yes, it is over 100 years away, and the world is ending in 12 years according to AOC, but an -80% decrease in population in the next century hardly reeks of "overpopulation."

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/south-korea-population/

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Currently, the aging population and the low birthrate of the country leaves future growth unknown. Recent studies indicate that the population could drop by 40 million to just 10 million by the year 2136, a widespread problem that also plagues other Asian countries including Japan.

Since 2009, South Korea has improved its record for having the world's lowest birthrate. However, the birthrate still remains low and if this continues, the population is expected to decrease by 13% to 42.3 million in 2050 and extinction by 2750 is a possibility. 



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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 08:15:49 AM »
A population could have a negative growth rate and still be over populated, that's my only point.

I expected in 1970 we'd have colonized Mars by now, easily.

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 08:19:50 AM »
Overpopulated in what way?
We seem to have the ability to grow enough crops and feed enough livestock.
Continued rapid growth could certainly be a problem.

But for places like Japan, which discourage immigration, are going to have a very hard time finding people to look after all of the elderly.

Over the next 50 years, I would argue that an excessively old populace is going to be bigger problem in many parts of the world than overpopulation.

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2019, 08:37:13 AM »
As I said, it depends on what one means by over population.  I don't have a good definition.  

I worry some about the health of our oceans, aside from the plastic thing.

Is there a tipping point on our global ecosystem?

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Re: Bill Gates Thinks There are Too Many Africans, Calls for Population
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2019, 11:02:49 AM »
No worries.  50% of millennials are gay.

 

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