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Topic: “Antifa”: International Soldiers of the European and American Left

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gymvol

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Our resident know it all keeps attempting to convince us that Antifa is nothing more than a bunch of unorganized youths in Portland.

Nothing could be further from the truth it's a well funded international terrorist organization funded by people like George Soros.

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“We have a number of investigators at the department that are working with DOJ and working with FBI. We know that they have opened up a number of cases specifically targeting some of the leaders of Antifa and other organizations that are involved,” acting Department of Homeland Security Chad Wolf told Fox News.

German AfD foreign policy speaker Petr Bystron urged President Trump to “to examine the international Antifa terror network all the way up to the highest levels in press and government, and issue travel bans and international arrest warrants where necessary and appropriate.”

In Europe, Antifa is frequently supported by taxpayer funding and works openly with political secret police, law enforcement and media to suppress conservative voices and parties. Speaking in the German Parliament March 12, Green Party delegate Renate Künast acknowledged state funding for Antifa, complaining the funding is too spotty: “I’m sick of having to fight for money for NGOs and Antifa groups, merely relying on temporary contracts”. A 2018 report by the Bundestag research service also documented federal funding is going from the Family Ministry to Antifa groups as part of the “anti-radicalization” program “Living Democracy!” A query by Bystron recently revealed that 9 million Euros German taxpayer funding went to left-wing Open Society related NGOs in 2019

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/must-read-antifa-international-brownshirts-soldiers-european-american-left/
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DunkingDan

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He calls them misguided youth
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

TREX

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Why do you think he does that?

Phantom101

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Why do you think he does that?

He seems to believe that Antifa is a dozen or so White kids in Portland that are just acting out.


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I asked for evidence they had done heinous things outside Portland.  

Even in Portland they don't often seem able to "do" much.

It is possible they are a highly trained group of nefarious operators well organized and covertly behind a lot of mischief.  I don't see much evidence of that.

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I asked for evidence they had done heinous things outside Portland. 

I've only seen what is on social media. There was one arrested for busting a mans head with a bike lock in a sock. (the victim didn't die but did require hospitalization) There was and old man and his wife trying to get to a Dr. appointment where Antifa was not allowing cars. (they were just threatened and run off with just car damage) Then there was the social media critic who was beaten and filmed. (he lived but had fractures in his face) The many college appearances where they riot and stop speakers they don't agree with is well documented. (no free speech in their world)

They do appear well traveled if there's only a couple dozen, I'll give um that.

I'm sure you're correct and the FBI will find them to be just kids acting out.

(well actually I really believe that only the DOJ could convince you to change your mind...and I'm not sure that would be enough)

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I would change my mind IFF there was evidence they are organized and commit criminal acts broadly and fairly often.

I'm sure they do heinous things on occasion, and here and there, and suspect they have "wannabes" that claim to be Antifa but really aren't.  Some of what I have seen in video of folks claiming to be Antifa is truly inept.

The term may be a kind of umbrella rallying cry for some folks who think they are tough and want to commit mayhem but aren't really part of Antifa.  If "we" accord them more notoriety than is warranted, we could build them up into something real when perhaps they are not today.


gymvol

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I would change my mind IFF there was evidence they are organized and commit criminal acts broadly and fairly often.

I'm sure they do heinous things on occasion, and here and there, and suspect they have "wannabes" that claim to be Antifa but really aren't.  Some of what I have seen in video of folks claiming to be Antifa is truly inept.

The term may be a kind of umbrella rallying cry for some folks who think they are tough and want to commit mayhem but aren't really part of Antifa.  If "we" accord them more notoriety than is warranted, we could build them up into something real when perhaps they are not today.




How much more evidence do you need?  Do you think the person who wrote the article just made it up or did you even take time to read anything before responding?

You're not going to change your mind that would be admitting you were wrong and you won't do that.

Okay here is your evidence AGAIN:


Speaking in the German Parliament March 12, Green Party delegate Renate Künast acknowledged state funding for Antifa, complaining the funding is too spotty: “I’m sick of having to fight for money for NGOs and Antifa groups, merely relying on temporary contracts”. A 2018 report by the Bundestag research service also documented federal funding is going from the Family Ministry to Antifa groups as part of the “anti-radicalization” program “Living Democracy!
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I would change my mind IFF there was evidence they are organized and commit criminal acts broadly and fairly often.

It might just be me but every time I see Antifa in the news there's violence. They're in Europe, Great Britain and college campuses all over America. Some one is making their flags (they all have the same one) and they all have the same goals.

Their goal is overthrowing our government with violence.

Perhaps you can show me why I should believe it's just a few kids in Portland.


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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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I didn't claim it's a few kids in Portland, nor did I ever claim they are just misguided youth.  I've explained my position and why I hold it.

You are welcome to have another position, or try and put words in my mouth which I never said, or implied.

I can recall groups in the past that were truly dangerous and there was clear evidence they were so, usually related to explosives.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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