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fuzzynavol

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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2019, 05:06:51 PM »
Quote from: roadvol on March 30, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
I read the report (contrary to you) and there was no evidence to charge Trump.

The Mueller Report hasn't been released yet.

He was not exonerated...

Yeah, I know.  You originally said he was, and now you get angry when I point out that you were wrong.  
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2019, 05:57:03 PM »
Quote from: fuzzynavol on March 30, 2019, 08:46:08 AM
So here we have someone advocating abolishing the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and we have the board's resident attorney (no less), Billy, actually liking the post.  



No one said anything about abolishing the first amendment just holding those who hide behind it pretending to be the "press" accountable for their actions.

But what would you leftist loons know about the first amendment you're ilk are the ones who riot, burn and assault people for exercising their right to free speech.
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2019, 05:57:59 PM »
No...frustrated at your ignorance.
There's a differance.
No charges..no collusion, no obstruction.
( I did read the report of the Mueller Report  by Barr to Congress in case you really want to make an issue out of that since you have nothing else to hang onto.. sad)
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2019, 07:27:33 PM »
Quote from: roadvol on March 30, 2019, 05:57:59 PM

No charges..no collusion, no obstruction.

Mueller's instigation yielded dozens of indictments and multiple convictions.  The final report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction as you initially falsely claimed.

(I did read the report of the Mueller Report by Barr to Congress in case you really want to make an issue out of that since you have nothing else to hang onto.. sad)

After I said I was "shocked that you thought the Mueller Report exonerated Trump from obstruction of justice charges," your subsequent response was "I read the report."  That could have only been referring to the Mueller Report, and turns out to have been false.  You are now trying to save face by saying, "oh, I meant I read the Barr summary of the report, rather than apologizing for the misstatement (if not lie).
Typical.   
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2019, 07:58:56 PM »
Mueller's instigation yielded dozens of indictments and multiple convictions.



None of them connected to Trump or Russian collusion.
The biggest transgressor was Manafort - but all his sins happened before he had ever met Trump.

Some others:

Alex van der Zwann,
Attorney   Lying to FBI   Pleaded guilty; sentenced to 30 days in prison.

Richard Pinedo,
Data broker   Identity fraud   Pleaded guilty; sentenced to six months in prison.

George Papadopoulos, 
Former Trump campaign aide   Lying to FBI   Pleaded guilty; sentenced to 14 days in prison.

Michael Flynn,
Former national security adviser   Lying to FBI   Pleaded guilty; sentencing delayed.
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2019, 08:12:24 PM »
Fuzz is only regurgitating the same old talking points trying to divert attention from all of the lies they have told for 3 years now.
They have nothing else to hang onto.
It's sad really ,that they would rather manufacture lies that the president is a crook than try to resolve some of this country's real problems.
And insure Trump is 're-elected for their efforts.
Who will ever believe them now except for ideologues like Fuzz.

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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2019, 08:27:30 PM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on March 30, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
Mueller's instigation yielded dozens of indictments and multiple convictions.

None of them connected to Trump or Russian collusion.

Just pointing out another of Roady's factual errors.  BTW, what were they all lying about?  
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2019, 08:30:35 PM »

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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
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Mueller's instigation yielded dozens of indictments and multiple convictions.

None of them connected to Trump or Russian collusion.

Just pointing out another of Roady's factual errors.  BTW, what were they all lying about?  




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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2019, 08:32:14 PM »
Quote from: roadvol on March 30, 2019, 08:12:24 PM
Fuzz is only regurgitating the same old talking points trying to divert attention from all of the lies they have told for 3 years now.

See if you can quote one "talking point" I've regurgitated in this thread.  All I've done is corrected the numerous falsehoods you've posted.

It's sad really, that they would rather manufacture lies that the president is a crook than try to resolve some of this country's real problems.

Why couldn't we want to point out the fact that the president is a crook and still try to resolve other problems?  

And insure Trump is 're-elected for their efforts.

You may be right there.
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2019, 11:16:16 PM »
Mueller's instigation yielded dozens of indictments and multiple convictions.  The final report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction as you initially falsely claimed.

Fuzz, you really are embarrassing yourself.   I can understand your need to save face: you've invested the last 2 years in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, and now - once again - you've been proven wrong.   You never tire of it, do you?   But if you think that blowing smoke up our collective asses is going to salvage some sliver of victory for you, you're wrong - once again.   

Here is what Attorney General Barr wrote to Congress regarding obstruction.   Here is the link to William Barr's summary
link to William Barr's summary so you can read it directly, without the filter of Trevor Noah or some other lunatic leftwing comedian.  

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.2
In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.
In other words, Trump was exonerated of the allegations of obstruction of justice.  Let me summarize for you:

  • the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference
  • the report identifies no actions that constitute obstructive conduct
  • the report identifies no actions that had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding
  • the report identifies no actions that were done with corrupt intent
  • Each of those 3 actions would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt 

Fuzz, if that isn't exoneration, we probably need to purge the word from the English dictionary.  

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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2019, 11:19:50 PM »
There comes a point when everyone knows you're just trying to kill the clock.
You're attempting to continue the 3 year lie until the next election.
Now there is proof in the Mueller Report....you can no longer hide behind the lie.
You and Adam Schiff can go cry in your beer..no one believes you and your never ending denials and word games.
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2019, 11:25:26 PM »
Tex....you're wasting your time.
Fuzz will never concede his point. As you said...he's invested into a 3 year lie and saving face is all he has left.
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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2019, 12:19:03 AM »
Meanwhile.....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-report-majorities-across-party-lines-want-full-report-released-says-cbs-news-poll/



61% of Democrats thought it "justified" whereas only 34% of Independents thought it justified.

In other words by nearly a 2-1 margin (61-33), Democrats thought it justified.
Whereas the remainder of the population, by nearly a 3-1 margin (24-67), thought it politically motivated.

Dems, by a 4-1 margin (42-9) think that the investigation has not cleared Trump.
The rest of the nation, by a 4-1 margin (50-12) think that it has cleared Trump.

Keep harping on the Trump investigations Dems - you're alienating the rest of the country - which should help Trump and Republicans in 2020....







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Re: Andrew Klavan: The American Media Scandal
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2019, 01:54:51 AM »
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