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Topic: Ancient human DNA shows humans did not evolve from Neandertals

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Re: pitch continues to play the thread hijacking troll
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2017, 02:16:46 PM »
Just because you don't like what I'm saying, doesn't mean I don't want to discuss topics.  You just revert to (more) personal attacks because you can't defend your positions.
There is no personal attack for calling out your actions, words, etc If you don't like it take it up with a mod
As to discussing topics this thread has zero to do with anything you ave posted and so far you have never discussed any ting or offered any proof of any of your false statements 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Fully formed crustacean found from the early Cambrian
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2017, 02:19:04 PM »
In a huge setback for evolutionists, scientists have discovered a true crustacean in early Cambrian strata from Shropshire, England. In a recent issue of Science, Drs. Siveter, Williams, and Waloszek. announced the discovery of a fossil phosphatocopid ostracod, which is preserved extraordinarily well, including all its delicate limbs cast in calcium phosphate, clearly allowing it to be classified as a crustacean. Very few fossils of this great antiquity reveal so much detail or can be interpreted with such certainty. Although the discovery is clearly at odds with evolutionary theory, an analysis in the same issue by Dr. Richard Fortey comes to the remarkable conclusion that this discovery explodes the Cambrian explosion. Dr. Fortey believes that this discovery will foreshadow the discovery of precursor organisms from the pre-Cambrian. Of course, the fact that this has not happened yet does not hinder the evolutionists from wildly speculating that the Cambrian explosion will be overturned. Dr. Fortey does make a rather telling admission at the end of the article (followed by the usual party line):
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"Even if evidence for an earlier origin is discovered, it remains a challenge to explain why so many animals should have increased in size and acquired shells within so short a time at the base of the Cambrian. At the moment, there are almost as many explanations as there are animals caught in this belated "explosion." But it is more than likely that the evolutionary fuse was lit long before the Cambrian."

D. J. Siveter, M. Williams, and D. Waloszek. 2001. Science 293: 479 .
 Fortey, R. 2001. The Cambrian Explosion Exploded? Science 293: 438-439.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Fully formed crustacean found from the early Cambrian
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2017, 02:59:05 PM »
In a huge setback for evolutionists, scientists have discovered a true crustacean in early Cambrian strata from Shropshire, England. In a recent issue of Science, Drs. Siveter, Williams, and Waloszek. announced the discovery of a fossil phosphatocopid ostracod, which is preserved extraordinarily well, including all its delicate limbs cast in calcium phosphate, clearly allowing it to be classified as a crustacean. Very few fossils of this great antiquity reveal so much detail or can be interpreted with such certainty. Although the discovery is clearly at odds with evolutionary theory, an analysis in the same issue by Dr. Richard Fortey comes to the remarkable conclusion that this discovery explodes the Cambrian explosion. Dr. Fortey believes that this discovery will foreshadow the discovery of precursor organisms from the pre-Cambrian. Of course, the fact that this has not happened yet does not hinder the evolutionists from wildly speculating that the Cambrian explosion will be overturned. Dr. Fortey does make a rather telling admission at the end of the article (followed by the usual party line):
D. J. Siveter, M. Williams, and D. Waloszek. 2001. Science 293: 479 .
 Fortey, R. 2001. The Cambrian Explosion Exploded? Science 293: 438-439.

The problem with only reading/posting things from "God" sites is that you only see things that support what you want to believe, which only serves to keep you uninformed about reality.
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Discrepancy of genetic and fossil appearance dates of vertebrates
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2017, 05:38:26 PM »
Paleontologists believe that vertebrates diverged from a lancelet-like relative sometime in the Cambrian period, which began 545 million years ago. However, molecular studies of gene similarities between lancelets and today's vertebrates suggest that the vertebrate lineage diverged 750 million years ago. Recent fossil finds do not resolve this discrepancy. Haikouella, sliver-shaped lancelet-like organisms that have eyes and probably have a primitive brain, have been dated to 530 million years ago. Recently discovered conodonts, previously classified into a number of different phyla, seem to be full-fledged vertebrates, even more similar to living jawed fish than to lampreys or hagfish. However, these fossils date to 510 million years ago at the earliest.

Zimmer, C. 2000. In Search of Vertebrate Origins: Beyond Brain and Bone. Science 287: 1576-1579.
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Neanderthal baby attacks evolutionary dogma
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2017, 05:29:01 PM »
Stepping out 29,000 years from the past, a Neanderthal baby has taught evolutionists a thing or two about human origins, and strengthened the case for special creation. In a just published study, scientists extracted mt Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA from a Neanderthal infant skeleton found in the northern Caucasus near the Black Sea and laid to rest any question of whether Neanderthals could have been our ancestors. A previous study had examined a 397 Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pair Neanderthal Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA fragment and compared it with a Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequenceof 986 One of the structural components, or building blocks, of DNA and RNA. A nucleotide consists of a base plus a molecule of sugar and one of phosphate.nucleotide pairs from living humans of diverse ethnic backgrounds. The results showed an enormous 26 One of the structural components, or building blocks, of DNA and RNA. A nucleotide consists of a base plus a molecule of sugar and one of phosphate.nucleotide Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pair difference between the Neanderthal and Human Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA (a 6.5% difference, which is almost as much as the average difference between human Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA and chimpanzee Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA, which is 8.9%). In this region of the Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA, modern humans differ from one another in an average of eight Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pairs, and those differences were completely independent of the 26 observed for the Neanderthal fossil. In the current study, a 357 Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pair The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence of Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA was examined and found to vary from modern human The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences at 23 bases (6.4%), nineteen of which were identical to those of the first Neanderthal. A summary of the findings of the two studies can be found in the table below:
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Sequence Differences Between Modern Humans and Neanderthals


Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA
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Sequence Number (Read Down)
 11111111111111111111111111111111111111
 66666666666666666666666666666666666666
 00001111111111111122222222222222333333
 37890011123455688802334455566679124669
 78637812899846923993043408612389104253
Modern
 Human
AATTCCCCGGACTGCAATTCACTGCCACC-CATCCTCC
Neanderthal1GG.CTTTT.ATTC.T.CCCTGT.A.GA.TATGCT.C..
Neanderthal2 .C......ATT.ATCCCCTGT.A.A..TATGCTTC..
The analysis of the infant's Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA was extremely important, since it was dated at 29,000 years ago - only 1000 years before the last Neanderthal disappeared. If Neanderthals and humans had interbred, one should have expected to see this in the last remnants of the Neanderthals. In addition, since the two Neanderthal fossils were separated geographically by over 2,500 km, it shows that Neanderthals were a homogeneous species that was distinct from ancient humans. In fact, the differences in Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences compared to modern humans were so great that calculations indicated that the last common ancestor between modern man and Neanderthal must have been at least 365,000-850,000 years ago.

Igor V. Ovchinnikov, I.V., A. Gotherstrom, G. P. Romanovak, V. M. Kharitonov, K. Liden, and W. Goodwin. 2000. Molecular analysis of Neanderthal Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA from the northern Caucasus. Nature 404: 490-493.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Ancient human DNA shows humans did not evolve from Neandertals
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2017, 05:38:08 PM »
In case anyone is curious where you can continue reading the scientific "story" above....

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/evol2000.html

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Little diversity among Neanderthals
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2017, 06:03:06 PM »
Sequencing of a third Neanderthal specimen demonstrated that the three specimens were closely related (differing by only a few bases) although they were separated by over 1000 miles and died tens of thousands of years apart. Although the differences between modern humans and Neanderthals are large (>6%), the differences among individual humans or among individual Neanderthals is small compared to other apes (see table below). Such low genetic diversity among Neanderthals are consistent with a creation model in which Neanderthals were specially created as a small population in the relatively recent past. The much larger variation seen among chimpanzees and gorillas does not eliminate a creation model, but does indicate that those creatures were created well before modern humans.
Genetic material found in mitochondria, the organelles that generate energy for the cell.mtDNA Sequence Variation Among Species


[th]Population[/th]
[th]Individuals[/th]
[th]Mean[/th]
[th]Minimum[/th]
[th]Maximum[/th]
[th]s.d.[/th]
Neanderthals33.73---
Humans5,5303.430.0010.161.21
Chimpanzees 35914.810.0029.065.70
Gorillas2818.570.4028.795.26

Krings, M., C. Capelli, F. Tschentscher, H. Geisert, S. Meyer, A. von Haeseler, K. Grossschmidt, G. Possnert, M. Paunovic, and S. P��bo. 2000. A view of Neandertal genetic diversity Nature Genetics 26: 144-146.
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Re: Ancient human DNA shows humans did not evolve from Neandertals
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 04:51:05 PM »
Waaaa, waaaaaa, I can’t offer anything to count information from such peer reviewed publications as the . Proceedings of the National Academy of Science , Nature, Science , Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Nature Genetics. Waaa, Waaaa I want to bitch and whine because its from a Chritian site. Waaaa I hate God, I will scream its biased because I lack the brain power ot intellectual integrity  to even try and prove it wrong. Waaa, waaaa, waaaa did they use actual science. Christians are supposed to be anti science, waaaa, waaaa waaa, God, waaa, waaa  
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2017, 08:33:41 PM »
Evolutionists have used the excuse that the fossil record is not complete enough to be an accurate representation of the history of life on the Earth. A recent book, The Adequacy of the Fossil Record (Donovan, S.K. and C.R.C. Paul, eds. 1998. The Adequacy of the Fossil Record. Wiley, Chichester, UK), examined the fossil record in terms of its completeness, bias (over and under representation of certain species and groups of organisms), and stratigraphic range (its completeness for a species over the entire history of its existence). Their conclusions were that the fossil record is surprisingly complete, with about 10% of all species that have ever lived being represented. There are some biases and stratigraphic incompleteness in the fossil record, but these problems can be estimated mathematically from the available data. There are many examples of stratigraphic gaps in the fossil record, with these gaps being the rule rather than the exception. In the past, it has been assumed that the gaps represent incompleteness of the fossil record. The authors suggest the "heretical" view that stratigraphic data should be used to test the phylogenetic relationships between species rather than assume that the relationships exist and that the fossil record is incomplete.

Baumiller, T.K. 1999. Enough remains to work with. Science 283: 1271.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2017, 11:45:03 AM »
Evolutionists have used the excuse that the fossil record is not complete enough to be an accurate representation of the history of life on the Earth. A recent book, The Adequacy of the Fossil Record (Donovan, S.K. and C.R.C. Paul, eds. 1998. The Adequacy of the Fossil Record. Wiley, Chichester, UK), examined the fossil record in terms of its completeness, bias (over and under representation of certain species and groups of organisms), and stratigraphic range (its completeness for a species over the entire history of its existence). Their conclusions were that the fossil record is surprisingly complete, with about 10% of all species that have ever lived being represented. There are some biases and stratigraphic incompleteness in the fossil record, but these problems can be estimated mathematically from the available data. There are many examples of stratigraphic gaps in the fossil record, with these gaps being the rule rather than the exception. In the past, it has been assumed that the gaps represent incompleteness of the fossil record. The authors suggest the "heretical" view that stratigraphic data should be used to test the phylogenetic relationships between species rather than assume that the relationships exist and that the fossil record is incomplete.

Baumiller, T.K. 1999. Enough remains to work with. Science 283: 1271.
In case anyone wants to read more of this "unbiased", "scientific" information, here's the link....from 1999

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/evol1999.html



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Re: The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2017, 11:48:40 AM »

Waaaa, waaaaaa, I can’t offer anything to count information from such peer reviewed publications as the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science Nature, Science , Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Nature Genetics. Waaa, Waaaa I want to bitch and whine because its from a Chritian site. Waaaa I hate God, I will scream its biased because I lack the brain power ot intellectual integrity  to even try and prove it wrong. Waaa, waaaa, waaaa did they use actual science. Christians are supposed to be anti science, waaaa, waaaa waaa, God, waaa, waaa   
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2017, 11:56:37 AM »

Why don't you post links to your stories? 
Why do you only cherry pick your "science" from sites that are completely biased and have a very clear agenda?

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Re: The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2017, 01:20:56 PM »
Waaaa, waaaaaa, I can’t offer anything to count information from such peer reviewed publications as the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science Nature, Science , Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Nature Genetics. Waaa, Waaaa I want to bitch and whine because its from a Christian site. Waaaa I hate God, I will scream its biased because I lack the brain power ot intellectual integrity  to even try and prove it wrong. Waaa, waaaa, waaaa did they use actual science. Christians are supposed to be anti science, waaaa, waaaa waaa, God, waaa, waaa   
Thanks for proving my points so well Let me add your to damned ignorant or to much of a ass to try and actually respond to actual source identified quotes that point our actual problems. All this in years past I have looked up and verified the quoted source and have actually read many of the periodicals listed as the source
Let me add before you whine some more. Lets compare our science/educational backgrounds. My bachelors degree was in Industrial Management with minors in Science and Psychology, as  I continued to attend UT for work taking such courses as Nuclear Theory and Engineering, Applied Sciences for work, as well as personal interest especially in history, mostly local but as current events are of importance to me I likewise took course dealing with Israel and the Islamic world, Russia, etc. That does dot even consider the outside reading that I have done over the years on these academic interests. which includes a lifetime and subtracting for age of over 50 years of reading such journals as scientific american, science digest, and other periodical some specialty some general interest including those in the fields of archaeology and anthropology. Starting in grade school we had a heavy emphasis on science and math. in high school I was in what some call honors and others call college prep classes i had biology 1 and 2, chemistry, and physics  in college and lets explain the hrs, i went when it was the quarter system you earned 4 hrs of credit for each quarter of science. 3 hrs was class room each week and 1 hr of lab. in my degree (major in industrial management and minor in science and psychology) i had 12 hrs of astronomy, 12 hrs of geology, 12 hrs of biology, 12 hrs of physics, and 12 hrs of chemistry and 8 hrs or nuclear chemistry in my continuing education after i graduated and got my masters i had 12 in archaeology, 9 hrs in anthropology my gpa for these classes was ~ 3.5 now as to my working background i initially worked in design and development with a company that dealt with nuclear medicine, research equipment for colleges, hospitals and us govt science depts. as well as NASA, When I left there it was for a higher paying job which much to your disappointment was not sweeping floors, but dealt with nuclear energy, i worked as a liaison a lot between different govt science entities, mostly as it was related to nuclear. in both my professional and social life i interacted a lot with scientist or people who work in the various science fields with which i had many interesting discussions this does not count organizations i belonged to (both professional and volunteer) or meetings that I had to attend which gives me tremendous insight into the political nature of organizations. 

So what is your back ground? 

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Ancient human DNA shows humans did not evolve from Neandertals
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2017, 01:42:16 PM »
I couldn't care less about your resume.  None of it matters when you only visit sites that support your beliefs. You intentionally don't post links to your articles to mask how biased you are.

 

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