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fuzzynavol

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM »
"Fuzz has his private interpretation of things he reads."

Based on the fact that photos surfaced of Trump with him, my private interpretation, along with the rest of the worlds', was that he lied after Duke endorsed him and he refused to repudiate it dishonestly claiming he didn't know who Duke was.

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2018, 05:48:00 PM »
Well, since Portland doesn't want ICE - perhaps they shouldn't be there.
The Federal Government should temporarily shut down ICE there as well as all their functions.

That would mean no more international flights into or from Portland.
Portland has direct flights to:
London
Reykjavik
Tokyo
Amsterdam
Vancouver
Frankfurt
Toronto 
Mexico City
Guadalajara
Puerto Vallarta
San Jose del Cabo
Calgary

Maybe then they'd figure out that ICE provides essential services.

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2018, 05:52:43 PM »
Hard to imagine much demand for a flight from Portland to Frankfurt - both cities have less than a million people.   

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2018, 06:00:53 PM »
Condor Airlines flies into Portland - as it is an Alaska Airlines hub I think.
(but it is a seasonal route).

https://www.iflynonstop.com/



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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2018, 06:35:22 PM »
Look, we all know Texie's become the biggest drama queen on the board, but if he'd simply said that it's unfortunate that the rightwing white nationalists decided to poke a bear in Portland, and that a few of the ANTIFA counter-protesters shouldn't have resorted to violence, then I wouldn't have had anything to argue with.  

But that's not Texie.  He had to claim that the problem is exclusively on the left, and that the trouble-makers are the "base" of the Democratic Party.  He's too tone deaf to realize that the white nationalist base of the Republican Party are the ones who got Trump nominated and are thus responsible for his presidency.  

Don't worry, he'll learn.  

Then of course Roady had to ride in on his white stallion to save the day for poor Texie, laughably claiming that the GOP "strong denounces" rightwing hate groups.  Trump himself won't even do it - most you can get out of him is when he's asked to denounce a murder by a white nationalist, all he'll say is "there's blame on both sides."  That is, when he's not lying about knowing David Duke and refusing to repudiate his endorsements.  


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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2018, 09:12:34 PM »
The Portland area's population now sits just above 2.4 million. It grew by about 1.7 percent last year, about the same as the year earlier.


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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2018, 09:35:41 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America
It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion. 

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Victor Pierce has worked on the assembly line of a Daimler Trucks North America plant here since 1994. But he says that in recent years he’s experienced things that seem straight out of another time. White co-workers have challenged him to fights, mounted “hangman’s nooses” around the factory, referred to him as “boy” on a daily basis, sabotaged his work station by hiding his tools, carved swastikas in the bathroom, and written the word “~unacceptable racist term~” on walls in the factory, according to allegations filed in a complaint to the Multnomah County Circuit Court in February of 2015.

Pierce is one of six African Americans working in the Portland plant whom the lawyer Mark Morrell is representing in a series of lawsuits against Daimler Trucks North America. The cases have been combined and a trial is scheduled for January of 2017.

“They have all complained about being treated poorly because of their race,” Morrell told me. “It’s a sad story—it’s pretty ugly on the floor there.” (Daimler said it could not comment on pending litigation, but spokesman David Giroux said that the company prohibits discrimination and investigates any allegations of harassment.)

When the state entered the union in 1859, for example, Oregon explicitly forbade black people from living in its borders, the only state to do so. In more recent times, the city repeatedly undertook “urban renewal” projects (such as the construction of Legacy Emanuel Hospital) that decimated the small black community that existed here. And racism persists today. A 2011 audit found that landlords and leasing agents here discriminated against black and Latino renters 64 percent of the time, citing them higher rents or deposits and adding on additional fees. In area schools, African American students are suspended and expelled at a rate four to five times higher than that of their white peers.
 
“I think that Portland has, in many ways, perfected neoliberal racism,” Walidah Imarisha, an African American educator and expert on black history in Oregon, told me. Yes, the city is politically progressive, she said, but its government has facilitated the dominance of whites in business, housing, and culture. And white-supremacist sentiment is not uncommon in the state. Imarisha travels around Oregon teaching about black history, and she says neo-Nazis and others spewing sexually explicit comments or death threats frequently protest her events.

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2018, 10:13:07 PM »
LOL, you just have an aversion to the truth fuzzie.  Did you even read the OP?   When an angry mob surrounds the office of a federal agency, and the Democrat mayor/police chief refuses to assist, that's a problem.   When a member of ICE is trailed and confronted by leftwing extremists as he's picking up his daughter from summer camp, that's a problem.  

When a group - rightwing, white supremacist, or whatever -  plans a protest and the antifa vows to commit violence against them, that's a problem.   We may both reject their message, but they still have the right to freely demonstrate.  When a fight breaks out because leftwing nuts are throwing bricks, you can't pin it all on the rightwing nuts.   

When a ranking member of Congress calls on the angry leftwing mob to publicly harass members of the Trump administration, that's a problem.  Because of the left's acceptance of violence against their political opponents, Sarah Sanders has to have Secret Service protection.  You can't cite anything remotely equivalent during the Obama administration.  

The list goes on and on and it's daily.  Your Democrat Party is turning radical.  It has become acceptable to threaten President Trump, his family, his staff, and his supporters.   Posting a news report from 2010 doesn't prove anything except that you have nothing.   

If you think this is hyperbolic drama, you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were.  

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2018, 10:32:25 PM »
"When an angry mob surrounds the office of a federal agency, and the Democrat mayor/police chief refuses to assist, that's a problem."

Agreed.

"When a member of ICE is trailed and confronted by leftwing extremists as he's picking up his daughter from summer camp, that's a problem."

Agreed.  

"When a group - rightwing, white supremacist, or whatever -  plans a protest and the antifa vows to commit violence against them, that's a problem."

Agreed.

"We may both reject their message, but they still have the right to freely demonstrate."

Agreed.

"When a fight breaks out because leftwing nuts are throwing bricks, you can't pin it all on the rightwing nuts."

Agreed.   

"When a ranking member of Congress calls on the angry leftwing mob to publicly harass members of the Trump administration, that's a problem."

Agreed.

"Because of the left's acceptance of violence against their political opponents, Sarah Sanders has to have Secret Service protection."

Disagree - false premise.

"You can't cite anything remotely equivalent during the Obama administration."

I already have.

"The list goes on and on and it's daily."

No it doesn't.  The only daily "problem" here is Trump's propensity to lie.

"Your Democrat Party is turning radical."

There's an alarming movement among the younger members of the party to oppose free speech.

"It has become acceptable to threaten President Trump, his family, his staff, and his supporters."

Disagree.

"Posting a news report from 2010 doesn't prove anything except that you have nothing."

Obama isn't the President now.  You can't say that I "can't cite anything remotely equivalent during the Obama administration" and then not let me cite things from 2010.

"If you think this is hyperbolic drama, you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were."

If the neo-nazi's aren't rallying in the streets of Portland, then you don't have anything to crow about.  There were a few dozen hooligans facing off in the streets of Portland and the national rightwing media has you screaming in a moral panic that the barbarians are at the gates.  

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2018, 10:38:48 PM »

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Re: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2018, 10:57:31 PM »
I’m not a Democrat like you Fuzz so my side didn’t lose the Civil War. But if you want to play the modern geographic game, I’m a southern feller but the north and south today are not as they were in 1861. Unlike the south in 1861 we are not primarily agricultural. No we have plenty of manufacturing to maintain self sufficiency. And we have PLENTY of gun manufacturers and ammo manufacturers because your beloved yanks are demonizing both so many are moving their operations to more gun friendly states.

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2018, 10:59:09 PM »
Fuzz, you seem to be consumed with Trump’s reaction to Charlottesville, but you have to admit that Obama was by far the bigger racist.
 
Listen to Obama complain that no one liked his policies because they’re “racist” against him in this tirade. But that wasn’t the only time.
While speaking at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Sept. 2014, Obama not only blamed police for black community mistrust, but also proclaimed that “most Americans” think the country is racist.
The speech came not long after the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., inspired violent race riots. Police desperately needed the support of the president at the time, but instead he chastised them.
In another example of unnecessarily inserting himself into a sensitive racial issue, Obama proclaimed after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Again, making that correlation was completely unnecessary – it served no purpose other than to make non-black Americans feel guilty and uncomfortable.
Make no mistake about it – failed President Barack Obama was the most divisive president in decades. The left seems to forget the sick things he said and did. Let’s recap just a few:
In a radio interview with Univision in Oct. 2010, Obama urged Latino voters to “punish [their] enemies” and “reward [their] friends who stand with [them].”
Not only was this a strident call to racial politics, but it reinforced the dangerous and divisive liberal sentiment that anyone who thinks differently than them are not just opponents, but actual enemies.
In 2015, Barack Hussein Obama used his remarks at the White House Easter prayer breakfast to attack Christians:
“On Easter, I do reflect on the fact that, as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have to say that sometimes, when I listen to less than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned. But that’s a topic for another day.”
He made no mention of the massacre of Christian students by Islamic extremists at a university in Kenya just days before.
While on the campaign trail in 2008, Obama drew the ire of small-town working class Midwestern voters when he chalked up their economic frustrations to racism. As Obama said at the time, “They get bitter, cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama couldn’t have sounded more elitist if he tried.
In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama details how he broke up with his “New York girlfriend,” who was white, over race-related issues.
However, it later came to light that the New York girlfriend was not a real person, and instead a “compression” of girlfriends, including Genevieve Cook. In other words, he made up a person just to make a divisive racial point.
While on the campaign trail in 2008, Obama opined that his white grandmother “once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.” He attempted to walk back his comment afterwards – but he only made it worse:
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there’s a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society.”
He might as well have just come out and said what he meant: “All white people are inherently racist.”
Obama frequently invited leaders of the often violent and militant Black Lives Matter movement to the White House. Despicably, after five Dallas police officers were murdered at a BLM demonstration in July 2016, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said, “I would not describe the White House as concerned about these protests. They’re exercising their freedom of speech, they’re exercising their freedom of assembly. That’s a good thing. That’s a good start.”
After a black nationalist murdered five Dallas police officers in cold blood, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said the suspect “said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.” But when Obama commented on the shooting while in Warsaw, Poland, he said, “I think it’s very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter.”
On the contrary, the shooter’s motives were explicitly clear. Obama just chose to ignore them.
After Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook, who both had ties to ISIS, killed 14 people at an office Christmas party in San Bernardino, Calif., Obama urged the public not to jump to the conclusion that it was terrorism just because the perpetrators were Muslim.
“It is possible that this was terrorist-related, but we don’t know. It’s also possible that this was workplace-related.” However, in the cases of the deaths of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Freddie Gray, and others, Obama was quick to immediately (and incorrectly) jump to racism.
Al Sharpton is an unabashed race-baiter, and he visited Obama’s White House no less than 100 times. In fact, Obama liked Sharpton’s work so much that he made him the White House’s unofficial race ambassador, sending Sharpton on his behalf to tackle sensitive issues such as the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Freddie Gray. Was there really no one else Obama could have picked for that job?
In July 2009, just months after assuming office in the White House, Obama proclaimed at a press conference that Cambridge, Mass. police officers “acted stupidly” when they arrested black Harvard Prof. Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Obama had no evidence about happened during the arrest, and no standing to make such a ridiculous, racially divisive remark. Police unions across the country demanded an apology, and Obama eventually walked back his statement.

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