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Volbrigade/oU

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An Apology
« on: April 17, 2021, 11:13:27 PM »
A little late getting to my daily Bible reading today.  Just completed it, a short time ago.

I’m in 2 Timothy, in the NT.  Boy, was today’s reading — chapter two — convicting.

I made a post or two earlier that I wish I could say were uncharacteristically acerbic.  But that would not be the case.  The truth is, I have a rather passionate nature, and long experience from my “old”, unsaved life, with expressing that passion more freely than is wise.  Especially in terms of the contempt that proverbially accompanies familiarity.  

Having taken it upon myself to state the Christian worldview, from my perspective, and according to my understanding, it is untoward and shameful to allow annoyance to undermine my witness with “profane and idle babblings” (2 Tim. 2:16), in the manner in which I directed them toward @Cincydawg  and @gymvol .  And for which I apologize, and beg pardon.  I will delete those posts upon submitting this.

As Christians, I don’t think we are required to suffer fools gladly.  And I am strongly on board with the anti-milquetoast “No more ‘Christian Mr. Nice Guy’” impetus of the last several years.

However — though we are justified with God by faith; our justification with men is through works.  And I think that includes our verbal and written expression.  And so I resolve — once again (LOL) — to be more restrained and judicious in the use of those words.  I.e., “just because you’re thinkin’ it, don’t mean you got to say it.”  Or write it.

It will not happen again.  At least for awhile.  ( ^ ;

I’d like to share some of the verses that motivated the writing of this:

“Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer.” 

 “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.”




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Re: An Apology
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2021, 07:41:42 AM »
As Christians, I don’t think we are required to suffer fools gladly.  And I am strongly on board with the anti-milquetoast “No more ‘Christian Mr. Nice Guy’” impetus of the last several years.

“just because you’re thinkin’ it, don’t mean you got to say it.”  Or write it.

It will not happen again.  At least for awhile. 

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Re: An Apology
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2021, 09:43:20 PM »
LOL — I’m glad you responded, fuzzster.  I affords an opportunity to expand on my OP a little.

I want to disabuse you of any misperception you may have that an apology was in order for the sentiments I expressed, and referred to.

That is not the case.  Those sentiments were valid.  And, indeed “natural”.

My apology was for expressing them.  I had a choice as to whether or not to do that — that free will thing, dontcha know (and you should.  Being the “free thinker” that you are, and all).

I have been walking this Christian path long enough that I should be refraining from expressing that sort of vitriol, by now.  I am no longer a novice Christian.  I was when I first started posting on the old ’51, these 12+ (!!!) years ago.*

But as someone who has benefitted from years of active learning and study into sound doctrine, I recognize that I have certain responsibilities of stewardship of HIs word, and ambassadorship of His Kingdom.  Which means that if I express myself in an untoward manner — being as outspoken as I have (again) chosen to be regarding matters of faith —

it reflects poorly on HIs Kingdom. 

And that constitutes “sin”.  “Missing the mark”.  My first apology, therefore, is to God.  Secondly, to those the remarks were directed at.  And also — and I meant to put this in the OP, but forgot — to anyone who happened to read them.  They were not edifying nor enlightening.  And could do nothing other than contribute to the “ruin of the hearers”.

If you read Proverbs — which is a practical guide for daily reading, and is my OT daily reading currently — you’ll find a great emphasis placed on controlling one’s “tongue”; of being careful and judicious in what one says.  James, the Lord’s brother, affirms:

For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Indeed, we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh. -- James 3:2-12


I think “tongue” — speech, language — can be broadened to include “communication” in general.  Yes, even silly little gifs.  ( ^ ;

I think that’s one of the great problems we have in our society today.  Everyone has access to saying any damned (a word chosen with precision) thing they want to, 24/7, and it being received by unknown numbers of people.  And the vast majority — I’d say on the order of 99.997% — of what’s said doesn’t need to be said.  It is devoid of value, truth, reason, insight, edification, or encouragement.  And way too much of it is just low, mean, nasty, vulgar, and often downright vile.

This is a new phenomenon.  I think the pervasiveness of it has weakened every facet of our social structure.  I also think it is a powerful tool that our spiritual enemies exploit to great effect.

End of amplification.

* I remember my first topic, that I started:  “What Happens When You Die?”.  It started a pretty brisk discussion.  I think there were more lurkers on the old board.  That thing went on for awhile.  I have a printout of it somewhere… 

It remains the central question of our existence.  It informs the way we live our lives in this plane of existence.  And yet most people avoid contemplating it.  And get strong support from spiritual regions to do so.  Which is why most people’s personal philosophies are so disjointed, vague, incoherent, inconsistent, and contradictory.  It is also why society is falling apart.  A nation of people who are unconcerned about the afterlife — primarily, in modern Western society, because of the implicit assumption that you die, and that’s that:  the long dirt nap, and utter disassociation of whatever it was that was “you”; or, the adoption of pagan mysticism like reincarnation, or being absorbed into some sort of mystical “force” —

is a nation that exhibits, and accepts,  the bizarre and florid behavior, the deviancy defined down, that is all around us.  As well as the nihilism and hopelessness and false premises and lies that inform it.

And we are seeing the results of all that, as the nation falls around our ears.




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Re: An Apology
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2021, 10:17:48 PM »
LOL — I’m glad you responded, fuzzster.  I affords an opportunity to expand on my OP a little.

As you get older your tolerance for some behaviors decreases as you have put up with it far to long. Likewise your filter drops some. Add in some are so dense raises the desire to be blunt. Sad to say some intentionally try to provoke you for a variety of reasons, none of which are mentally healthy or food for the soul, so to speak.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: An Apology
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2021, 04:10:29 PM »
As you get older your tolerance for some behaviors decreases as you have put up with it far to long. Likewise your filter drops some. Add in some are so dense raises the desire to be blunt. Sad to say some intentionally try to provoke you for a variety of reasons, none of which are mentally healthy or food for the soul, so to speak.
Amen, brother.  I know you understand.

Dealing with the heathen Whateverists on a regular basis can be enough to make you “lose your religion”.    ( ^ ;

Age is not the driving factor in my occasional crankiness, though.  I’m actually mellowing with it, like fine wine (LOL).  I was much more hot-headed, even a few years ago.  

What is frustrating and annoying, is that even as things become radically more “what they are” — society and the nation collapsing; scientific discoveries all but shouting “God is real.  The Bible is true.  M2m is an absurd hoax and lie.  We are rushing toward the onset of events prophesied for thousands of years” —

the Whateverist response is to become more and more thick-headed and obtuse; blinders fixed firmly in place as they stick their horse heads deeper into their feedbags, contentedly munching the oats of lies, disinformation, conformity and vaguely uniformitarian wishful thinking and denial. 

Two things I try to keep in mind — but occasionally lose sight of:

I was once as they are now.  But that’s getting further and further in the rearview.

And “there but for the grace of God go I.”

Another thing:

this forum is a pretty small and insular group.  We’ve “known” each other a long time.  And continue coming here, despite our familiarity with each other’s views, and their differences.  

I respect the hell out of that.  It really is the cyber equivalent of the retired old codgers that used to meet — years ago — at a local Krystal once a week, for years.  Sometimes I’d catch them there, mostly the same core group, when I got an early lunch, or needed a Krystal breakfast.  They were hilarious.  Some were Dems, some ‘Pubs.  And they’d just go back and forth over the latest events, over coffee and Krystals.  I’d sit there munching down, listening to them.  And while they disagreed with each other, strongly, there was a pretty strict, unwritten code.  Gentlemanly rules of engagement.  You almost never heard any swearing.  Maybe an occasional “damn” or “hell”.  “Ass” or “asshole” was about as strong as it got.  And those were rare.  Otherwise, things could easily have escalated to fisticuffs.  

Instead, you’d hear things like “that’s about what I figured you’d say, Fred.  Anyone who’d vote for…”, fill in the blank.  Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush…

I think the days of face-to-faces like that are over.  The divide is too deep.  the sides have become too polarized.  People don’t know hosw to act anymore.  The social contract has been shredded.  .There’d be a melee in about 15 minutes or less.

At any rate — this is a special place.  I’ve been all over the internet, and it is a drab Whateverist wasteland, for the most part.  The guys who have gravitated here, and continue returning over and over, for years… right and left, Red and Blue, Christian and Whateverist…

make it a worthwhile destination.  Even though we say pretty much the same things over and over, just in response to the latest events.  It’s a great place to “compare notes”, if you will.  And those humor threads — essential, in these unfunny, woke, humorless times (notice how no libs ever put up a funny meme?  Wokeness has killed humor on the Left.  It is the most BORING cultural phenomenon, possibly ever.  A deft little satanic touch on the package.  Not only will you be forced to adhere to Godless malevolent misguided lies and hogwash.  But you can have absolutely NO fun while doing so).  And you (Dan) and HK get the majority of kudos, as I’ve said before.

Of course, it only works if things don’t get TOO personal.  And I think I crossed the line in that regard, with a couple of posts from… Saturday, I think it was.

Hence the apology.

Now, in the words of Forrest Gump:  “that’s about all I got to say about that.”



 

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